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Old 10th July 2020, 23:57   #31096
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Received this on whatsapp today. Happened on Srinagar road in Pauri. Other details unknown.
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Old 11th July 2020, 02:50   #31097
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That is way too much crumpling in the name of crumple zone.

The cost of damage would be more or less the cost of that Nano now.
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I guess we now have to reclassify the Crumple zones as Maruti/Honda type crumple zones and Tata/VW/Fiat type crumple zones. Otherwise it is too much of confusion for the readers to understand the function of crumple zones since they work completely differently in these cars.
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One thing to note that is the City somehow seems to accelerate before the crash - maybe the driver had panicked. This is more evident in the video than the gif. This may have contributed to more damage to the City, although it does not explain the minimal damage to the Nano. Maybe the Nano had more damage than what meets the eye.
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On seeing the damage happened to both cars and considering their price tags, the build quality of Honda City is questionable. Other cars in the same segment like Vento or Linea would have performed better.
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Companies like Maruti, and Honda in this case are literally taking too much advantage in the name of crumple zones.

Also got to agree with the fellow member that Nano doesn't have enough space to implement crumple zones.

Exactly.
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I have a vague guess that the design of this low impact meaningless crumpling is a ploy to milk some extra money from after sales repairs & spares. They earn nothing extra when nothing breaks. Cannot be? Okay, just a wild guess.
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Can't agree more. It seems some companies are using crumple zone theory as marketing trick.
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True that. If we see the accident pics of Maruti it looks like the entire car comes under the so called crumple zone. In the case of Hondas, their flimsy build is cleverly masked by the Honda brand image.
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I feel companies like Toyota and Honda are getting away using their past reputation . Off late, their cars are not good in terms of build quality as they are presumed to be. Although , looking at accident pictures is not the best way to judge built quality , but looking at Innova's and even few fortuner's getting crushed, its hard to think the other way.
I was wondering why a mod didn't get in between with the endless CRUMPLE ZONE discussion because basically everybody talking about it has no idea what a crumple zone component/s really consists of. FYKI it doesn't consist of bumper, Headlight and bonnet. Those may be pedestrian safety friendly but that's a different thing altogether. Happened million times before on this thread. Then 'Sheel' stepped in.
I'm zapped and amazed that bhpians are having this discussion. Even in today's date. We'll, no offence to anyone but I request all interested to go and type "car body crumple zones" in any browser you choose and look up the first images mainly of volvo that should pop up. The coloured components are the ones. Definitely not bonnet, Headlight, etc.

That said, the Honda City in question doesn't have any "CRUMPLE ZONE" damage. It had the impact at the inner side of the right head light and all that's partially or maybe fully damaged is the bumper, bonnet, right Headlight and possibly both sides front fender. The grill maybe, but doesn't seem so. Now this doesn't amount to Crumple Zone damage! Please! There is no structural damage to the chassis or frame of the car or any deformation either.

The outer body panels which have your car colour on them and lights, bumper etc are not a crumple zone meant to influence passenger safety. Neither do they play a role in supporting the core structural integrity of the car. They are just a outer cosmetic shell to create the outer look of the car among other things. The City has 4+ Safety rating in case everyone forgot.

Outer body panels used on cars of different brands have different thickness, temper, weight, etc so they deform differently and that's the brands take on how to do it. VW/Skoda etc cars are generally heavier because each of their components and panels whether exterior or interior are built more sturdier and heavier. Even the plastics! That's just the way it is. On the other hand, severe structural deformations caused in other cars like Baleno, Ciaz, etc is another story. Don't want to get into that. Not wanting to defend or blame any brand though I have my personal preferences but just trying to clear the details to the best of my knowledge. Mods please correct me if I'm wrong on some part. Just my two cents folks. Hope it helps. Have fun and drive safe!
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Old 11th July 2020, 02:52   #31098
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A Car will topple only after a certain speed. And when the Car topples, it'll skid at least a couple of metres, before it either hits any obstacle or stop on its own.
I doubt that it is that simple. A car can be flipped by putting one side of it up on to the curb or off the side of the road, and I don't think there is a skid stage to that. No doubt there is maths at the root of it, as it all depends on centre of gravity and forces.
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Old 11th July 2020, 12:54   #31099
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Alto 800 hits scooter in Hoshangabad M.P.



The rider and kiddo were lucky to have escaped unhurt. Surprisingly the rider was so much in rage that he didn't even bother about the kid and went off to pursue the car driver on a bike.
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Alto 800 hits scooter in Hoshangabad M.P.
The light blue Alto could not wait for the scooter in front of him to pass and moved to the oncoming lane only to crash and come back to his lane. (The dislodged bumper gives some signs of you know what) Also the second Alto driver driving like an idiot as if the entire road belongs to him. Both should be penalized.
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The rider and kiddo were lucky to have escaped unhurt. Surprisingly the rider was so much in rage that he didn't even bother about the kid and went off to pursue the car driver on a bike.
Lucky to have escaped. I think the Alto driver focussed completely on the other Alto driving in the wrong lane. I feel junctions like these should get speed breakers or roundabouts. Only then the traffic might slow down.
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That Polo delivery reminded me of a similar incident that happened when we took delivery of our Honda Brio seven and a half years ago.
The sales person asked if i would drive it out of the showroom. I did not have much driving experience back then but I didn't want to look like a noob.
So, much to the apprehension of my parents, I started the car and brought it out onto the street. No problem. Then a Bolero pickup turned onto the street and came towards me. I thought I was standing right in the middle of the road, so I moved the car to the left. I must have been a little too heavy on the throttle or too light on the brakes because the next thing I know, I have landed the front left wheel in an open drain on the side of the road.
Luckily, being a light car, it was possible for a couple of workers who were nearby to lift up the front end of the Brio to road level while my Dad backed it out of the drain. No damage done.
From that point onward, I am very careful of the amount of input i give to the pedals.
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Alto 800 hits scooter in Hoshangabad M.P.

The rider and kiddo were lucky to have escaped unhurt. Surprisingly the rider was so much in rage that he didn't even bother about the kid and went off to pursue the car driver on a bike.
What a moron victim. Leaving his kid like that without even checking. And did he literally just make off with someone else’s vehicle there in pursuit?? I dearly hope he was a local and knew the person who’s vehicle he took and made off.
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I don't know if this has been posted earlier but it is outright dangerous way to guide the driver for parking.
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Had an unfortunate incident this week. As I don’t have a space for parking my Venue, I park my car outside my house. Couple of days back, my neighbor while parking his vehicle, rammed my car. The portion near right side front head light got damaged. He was courteous enough to inform me about the incident and accepted the repair.

Went to Ambattur Kun Hyundai body shop/ service station to check if something can be done, they suggested the bumper to be replaced with insurance. Had it been a scratch, I would have ignored but due the impact, the bumper was pierced through. So I agreed to replace it.

Insurance was with MS chola and it was hassle free, went day before yesterday, surveying was done through online and it was duly approved. Went yesterday and got my bumper replaced. Total cost of the bumper with painting is 7900, I was asked to pay 1400, even though I had b2b 0% depreciation. When asked, they said minimum 1000 had to be paid for all claims and some consumables are not covered in insurance and I had to pay. I am not sure how true is this.

Some of the points which I noticed in the bumper replacement process,

- Venue bumper consists of 2 layers, the top layer is called the bumper and bottom layer is the black cladding which has the fog lamp. The huge grill is a stand alone piece

- In my case, as the damage was to the bumper which was the top layer, the bottom layer was not changed. The cost of 8 k is only for the top layer.

- Venue head light is not attached to the bumper, in case of any damage to the headlight alone bumper need not to be replaced.

- Fog lamp is a separate unit and it can be removed. In one of the picture, one can notice amount of gap in fog lamp cluster after installation of fog lamp.

I will let some of the pictures to do the talking.
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I don't know if this has been posted earlier but it is outright dangerous way to guide the driver for parking.
Never get in the path of a novice driver (in fact any driver). Poor chap learnt the hard way.

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I don't know if this has been posted earlier but it is outright dangerous way to guide the driver for parking.
Quite a strong impact if you look at the dent on the bootlid. The person could've lost both legs if this car had a bull bar at the back.

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Total cost of the bumper with painting is 7900, I was asked to pay 1400, even though I had b2b 0% depreciation. When asked, they said minimum 1000 had to be paid for all claims and some consumables are not covered in insurance and I had to pay. I am not sure how true is this.
Even with zero dep insurance, compulsory deductible of Rs. 1000 is charged in case of a claim.

Consumables (such as nuts, bolts, washers, fluids and lubricants) have to be paid for unless you have consumables cover add-on in your policy.
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Never get in the path of a novice driver (in fact any driver). Poor chap learnt the hard way.
Is that his chin that's responsible for the glass shattering, at the time of impact?
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Alto 800 hits scooter in Hoshangabad M.P.
On a side note, hardly any two wheeler riders were wearing helmet

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I don't know if this has been posted earlier but it is outright dangerous way to guide the driver for parking.
This looked painful, I hope the man is fine. I couldn't help but at the YouTube comments. One said "The man's build quality is awesome" and another said "The man can be hired as a dummy for NCAP testing"
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