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Old 31st August 2021, 22:39   #33406
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There is more irresponsible reporting going on. Deccan Herald claims "The overspeeding SUV lost its tyres before the crash." Even if the Audi was doing 150+, it simply won't lose its tires. Saying it "lost tires before the crash", absolves the driver of fault, and places the fault on the car/tires. Which is very wrong, I am not sure if all this is intentional because a VIP family is involved.

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/city/be...a-1025359.html
The people involved have already received the ultimate penalty for their misadventure! Does it really matter how it is portrayed by media, as long as they don't push the blame on some innocent soul? I'm sure Audi or BBMP don't care about how this get's reported.
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Deccan Herald claims "The over speeding SUV lost its tyres before the crash."
This story is gonna get washed so much, soon it will be the building which came and attacked the car out of nowhere.

Also everyone in that car were very much sober and were going for charity event.
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Old 31st August 2021, 22:57   #33408
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I wonder what ever happened to the night curfew that's supposed to be imposed in bangalore!

As we don't have the details of whether this was a drunken drive case, but driving the car at 1.30AM in the night certainly suggests the occupants might have been to some pub/restaurant which may have been operating beyond permitted time.

Just can't imagine that kind of speeds on that road even at 1.30AM in the night.
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Old 31st August 2021, 23:06   #33409
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I wonder what ever happened to the night curfew that's supposed to be imposed in bangalore!

As we don't have the details of whether this was a drunken drive case, but driving the car at 1.30AM in the night certainly suggests the occupants might have been to some pub/restaurant which may have been operating beyond permitted time.

Just can't imagine that kind of speeds on that road even at 1.30AM in the night.
Could very well be a joyride, after partying at home or probably getting drunk at home (If they were drunk), or could be a simple case of losing control after hitting a pothole at such high speeds. If you see the CCTV footage it also starts raining, and probably was already raining and car lost traction. We can have many different such scenarios.

Pubs are not open till 1 am, as far as I know they are closing by 9 pm, and delivering food till 11. The person/persons in the car were certainly in the wrong, no one should speed like that in normal city roads, no matter what time it is, but a character assassination of people we don't even know, based on 20 seconds of footage is plain wrong.
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Old 31st August 2021, 23:08   #33410
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You are leaving too big a gap between you and the front vehicle. Not a good way to drive.
Slow drivers cause more minor accidents than speedy ones. The gap between the two vehicles is too big, you can see the gap is more than a full length of a bus.
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If anyone drives slower than the minimum speed they can halt the traffic flow and create a dangerous condition. Even if there is no minimum speed limit, those driving too slow can be as dangerous as those who drive too fast.
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Forcing other drivers to adapt to the slower speed could force the other drivers to possibly pass on the left or right side causing accidents. The main problem on roads that causes accidents is the differences in speed.
Are you that Ritz cabbie by any chance?

Sorry to say, but your posts not making any sense. I guess you are trying to relate some western country disciplines with Indian roads. The gap you are talking about OP's driving is absolutely fine. The gap increased towards the end of the video is because he slowed down after noticing the accident, that's all. Not able to get your point.

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Old 1st September 2021, 00:25   #33411
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but a character assassination of people we don't even know, based on 20 seconds of footage is plain wrong.
Letís look at this objectively then shall we
- Overspeeding Audi q3 at 1:30 am when there is a night curfew.
- 7 people with no seat belts inside a 5 seater.
- MLAs son, but letís not be biased here. Most likely the Audi was hard earned.

Assuming all the kids were in a hurry for a blood donation drive at midnight, that still does not justify such high speeds on public roads. Drunk or sober.

Glad that no pedestrian was killed.
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Let’s look at this objectively then shall we
- Overspeeding Audi q3 at 1:30 am when there is a night curfew.
- 7 people with no seat belts inside a 5 seater.
- MLAs son, but let’s not be biased here. Most likely the Audi was hard earned.

Assuming all the kids were in a hurry for a blood donation drive at midnight, that still does not justify such high speeds on public roads. Drunk or sober.

Glad that no pedestrian was killed.
Agreed again and highlighted by me as well, but it was driven by one and not all seven, though obviously seven being in a car which is a 5 seater is wrong, but everyone has done that at some point or another, I would mainly put the blame on the person driving and if some one else was the owner to allow both over speeding and overloading. Judging everyone with same yardstick is probably not right, seven lives have been lost.

Yes I am also very glad no pedestrian was killed or it would have been 8 or 9 lives lost for a fault of one maniac behind the wheel, drunk or not.

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The people involved have already received the ultimate penalty for their misadventure! Does it really matter how it is portrayed by media, as long as they don't push the blame on some innocent soul? I'm sure Audi or BBMP don't care about how this get's reported.
There is no denying that they paid dearly.
If I worked at Audi and our product was blamed for losing the tires at 150kmph and being one of the factors that killed 7 people - I would care very much.

For BBMP -any accident would lead to a speed breaker or a hump installation project/contract. They probably celebrate accidents as a new project kick off date.
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Old 1st September 2021, 02:56   #33414
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The people involved have already received the ultimate penalty for their misadventure! Does it really matter how it is portrayed by media ... ?
Yes, it does. Not because of this one accident, not because of what car, or how much money in the pockets, not because of any of these things, but because honest and accurate reporting first, respects facts, and second, makes people aware that there are consequences.

Another quality it would be nice to see in media accident reporting is informed comment: like the writer has a clue about "control," and other causes of accidents.

Of course, I'm dreaming an impossible dream.
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Old 1st September 2021, 06:27   #33415
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There is more irresponsible reporting going on. Deccan Herald claims "The overspeeding SUV lost its tyres before the crash." Even if the Audi was doing 150+, it simply won't lose its tires. Saying it "lost tires before the crash", absolves the driver of fault, and places the fault on the car/tires. Which is very wrong, I am not sure if all this is intentional because a VIP family is involved.
This seems to have been corrected. Couldn't find it in that link now. Although it mentions that the airbags didn't deploy as no seatbelts were worn.
Seems like they're reading this thread

Also the JCP(traffic) said that it happened due to the violation of all traffic rules.
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Old 1st September 2021, 09:39   #33416
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I wonder what ever happened to the night curfew that's supposed to be imposed in bangalore!

As we don't have the details of whether this was a drunken drive case, but driving the car at 1.30AM in the night certainly suggests the occupants might have been to some pub/restaurant which may have been operating beyond permitted time.
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Could very well be a joyride, after partying at home or probably getting drunk at home (If they were drunk), or could be a simple case of losing control after hitting a pothole at such high speeds. If you see the CCTV footage it also starts raining, and probably was already raining and car lost traction. We can have many different such scenarios.

Pubs are not open till 1 am, as far as I know they are closing by 9 pm, and delivering food till 11. The person/persons in the car were certainly in the wrong, no one should speed like that in normal city roads, no matter what time it is, but a character assassination of people we don't even know, based on 20 seconds of footage is plain wrong.
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Assuming all the kids were in a hurry for a blood donation drive at midnight, that still does not justify such high speeds on public roads.
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For BBMP -any accident would lead to a speed breaker or a hump installation project/contract. They probably celebrate accidents as a new project kick off date.
Like Athek rightly said, aren't all of these assumptions about people and circumstances we know nothing about ? Let's wait for the report to come out, diluted or not and then position ourselves.
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Let's wait for the report to come out, diluted or not and then position ourselves.
What report and by whom?
Wish there are reports made and published like NTSB's for air crashes.

Come again after a week, there will not be any trace of news, discussions on this accident. It just gets dissolved and disappears.
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Old 1st September 2021, 10:02   #33418
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In a car accident such as the one discussed here, how does insurance work?
The car's legal occupancy number is five. There were seven passengers when the unfortunate accident happened. Will the insurance claim be turned down?
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Well, if it is a violation of policy terms, the Insurance company can! With MLA's son involved will the insurance company deny the claim?

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In a car accident such as the one discussed here, how does insurance work?
The car's legal occupancy number is five. There were seven passengers when the unfortunate accident happened. Will the insurance claim be turned down?
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Old 1st September 2021, 10:44   #33420
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Well, if it is a violation of policy terms, the Insurance company can! With MLA's son involved will the insurance company deny the claim?
Agree on this point. When it comes to image restoration/ image retention, vehicle manufacturers and insurance companies have to think twice before the final settlement. As of now, whatever info we get from media are biased or with half baked TRP driven info. (To be precise,gossip converted as news). Let us wait for at least preliminary investigations to reach a conclusion on Vehicle mechanism failure , human error , humans under influence of Alcohol,drugs or other substances, sudden cardiac arrest of driver and all other options like that.

Character assassination of 7 young people on their twenties may not be the correct way to start debates on this topic.

I would love someone among us with enough accident investigation experience to start a thread (if one doesn't exist) and keep this case as reference, where 7 lives lost in a direct hit scenario. We need to study the impact on chassis, body and other shock absorbing areas when a speeding vehicle hit a stationary object at speeds above 100 KMPH.A detailed thread is needed ,as most of the vehicles we drive today crosses 100 KMPH within few seconds.Most of the adrenaline driven youth drive those vehicles well above 100 KMPH (irrespective road conditions and speed limits). So, educating youth more and more with real life accident examples is the best way to go forward.
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