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BHPian | ![]() In my case the Innova rolled over once, and had a side impact as seen in the pics. The airbags did deploy and the crack on the front glass is because of a helpful bystander who tried to break the screen in order to remove the occupants but failed. Everyone in the front was wearing seat belt 2 people at the rear got minor bruises. The airbag did nothing to protect the driver or the co-passenger. The people were saved only by the physical design of the car. Note the car didnt have bull bar. There is no impact on the front bumper. What ever we discuss the airbag deploys when the sensor stationed somewhere in the car is disturbed (Front for front airbags and sides for curtain airbags). However it is an electronic device and the nature of impact is unpredictable which makes it react differently in different cases. Glad that everyone is safe the car did its job! With or without airbag you need luck to survive crashes. |
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Infractions: 0/1 (4) | ![]() Looking at the pictures I would only expect airbags to deploy if they are on the sides. Does the Fortuner have side bags? |
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What was the speed of the vehicle when it underwent braking? Was the driver experienced in driving such big vehicles at high speeds? These are some of the more important questions which come to my mind rather than questionning Toyota's safety measures or why they don't offer a particular feature on their vehicles in India. Or is it a case of having a powerful, big vehicle equipped with ABS and airbags and so being driven in excessive speeds without any regard to the driver's capability, the legal speed limits or the terrain conditions? | |||||||
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| ![]() Fact: The Fortuner has only front airbags. They don't claim to provide any more or any less. Whoever buys one must be fully aware of this. Blaming the non-deployment of airbags and a roll-over incident on cost cutting by Toyota is a bowl of codswallop. Likely cause for non-deployment: 1. Bull-bar. Toyota warns you not to fix one. I tried getting one for my Innova at Lanson Chennai, and the Service Advisor explicitly said it interfered with the airbag sensors. Fixing an after-market bull-bar can only do worse. 2. Negligible Frontal impact : In most cases, when the frontal impact is minimal, the airbags don't deploy for the simple reason that THEY CAN KILL YOU! Airbags are not a magical panacea for all accidents; they offer very specific benefits during very specific incidents. 3. Seatbelts: As far as I know, airbags don't deploy unless the front passengers are wearing seat belts. Reason: THEY CAN KILL YOU! Imagine being head-butted by a pillow at 120 km/hr +. You'll break your neck. Which is why airbags work only when the person they are protecting is already restrained in his or her seat(read: seatbelted), and not traveling forward to meet the airbag. Let's not malign a manufacturer and quote product recalls (which I think is the most responsible way a company has of dealing with the slightest risk of accidental death) behind the risk of anonymity here. As an aside: watch the 1991 Gene Hackman movie "Class Action". You'll thank Toyota for making those recalls. |
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But, having said that, it seems that understanding the deployment of the air bags still is controversial with different situations. So, would request the more techincal and knowledgeable among us to throw more light on the general working of the air bags for enhancing our knowledge. PS: Pls do not assign any ulterior motives or malafide intent behind this thread. The Fortuner still is one of my most favourite vehicles on Indian roads. So chill !!! ![]() Last edited by wanderer4x4 : 2nd January 2012 at 14:25. | ||
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There has been cases where people have survived falls from a 6th floor of a house and there has been cases where people have died by just falling from 1st floor. It simply depends!!! Remember airbags are SRS and they have to find a balance on when it has to be deployed. There are million different conditions it might have to encounter. | |
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Please refer below this other post of mine, #50 - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...ml#post2627926 Referring Tazmaan`s post #61 - raises more questions regarding the airbag deployment process. ------ Toyota acknowledges the issue unlike some other manufacturers, inform customer, bring back the vehicle to the dealer, rectify/resolve the issues free of cost and deliver it back to the customer and I really appreciate this fact. On the other hand, if a manufacturer keep on doing the same mistake again and again (different car/model, different dates, different parts...) in almost every country they operate then something is just not right about the exising QA process. If they can look into their existing process for improvement, it`ll help boost customer confidence. I`ll thank my car manufacturer everytime they acknowledge their mistake and resolve the issues, however the more the no. of mistake the more I loose my confidence on my car manufacturer. No offence meant to anyone and nothing against Toyota. I would love to drive Fortuner one day ![]() Last edited by AvonA7 : 2nd January 2012 at 15:51. Reason: edit ... | |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() | ![]() Quote: My guess is the airbags deployed at either of 2 points: 1. when the Innova jumped the kerb. Airbags are known to deploy if you drive over a curb too fast. 2. At the time of impact with the WagonR. The side damage is not a T-bone but a diagonal hit which if at enough speed can trigger the airbag. Remember, airbags deploy if the speed of impact is above 40km/hr. If you roll a vehicle at 30kmph by clipping a kerb, airbag will never deploy. Speed, angle of impact, force of impact are few parameters that can cause the airbag to deploy. | |
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PS: The Swift manual clearly states that the airbags will not deploy on rollover. So I am sure other manufacturers will also list the scenarios in which the airbags will deploy/not deploy. And also airbags inflate at close 200kmph and not 120kmph as pointed out by someone. Last edited by vikram_d : 2nd January 2012 at 16:54. | |
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And I also agree to what you have said in bold above. And my confusion is in this only. Lets forget about the bull bar for a moment and try to analyse. The Fortuner hit something diagonally around the headlamp, cracking its wheel, damaging the fender and the body shell underneath which is part of the front crumple zone, buckling its bonnet and you can see the impression of the object in the 2nd pic. Now, in this whole diagonal impact the bumper is missed. So, should air bags deploy or not? As you said, I also feel that it should, because it is a high speed diagonal direct hit and the whole argument that the bull bar prevented the impact from reaching the sensor is flawed because in any case the impact never touched the bull bar or the bumper first. So, the question is whether the sensors are sesitive to other impacts in the front crumple zone (AFAIK yes) or they are only sensitive behind the bumper? And thein lies my confusion and question. Last edited by wanderer4x4 : 2nd January 2012 at 17:05. Reason: Added something | |
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Exactly my confusion and I don't think repeated accidents will have same results, the end result will always be random. One thing common in both the accidents is the way the cabin held up after roll over. OT: In both the cases ESP might have prevented the accidents Last edited by tazmaan : 2nd January 2012 at 17:23. Reason: more information | ||
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() | ![]() I'm not a big SUV person but have driven my friend's Fortuner for about 15 km on a busy highway. It did not give me the grounded feeling that I am used to in a sedan or hatchback and I wouldn't dream of zipping in it the way I do in my Vento, for example. That the Fortuner is abysmally underkitted for its price is beyond debate and Toyota should well have considered putting in curtain airbags and ESP at least as an option, but no matter WHAT safety features are installed in my car, I must drive it in a way that minimises risk to myself and the other occupants and users of the road- that is a no brainer. I notice that nowhere has the speed of the vehicle that crashed been mentioned. Friends who drive the Fortuner have told me that they rarely venture beyond 90-100 kmph, which would be my own reckoning of a safe speed for this vehicle. |
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