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I shared a news for all, it wasn't meant for a fanboy who has the experience of driving a super-mini. I haven't named Hyundai in my either posts in wither thread...., may I know the reason for all your rant directed at me. The fact is that all (as others have pointed out) almost all cars are unsafe (structurally) in India, & same is the case all over the world, except may be for the Volvos (pioneers in this) & European with sold build. Dependence on airbags to improve safety ratings is nothing more than a sham, like you have pointed out that airbag blown in face can cause harm to occupants. Yes there is a need to have structurally safe cars with the type of tests US does not the type of tests & marking EuroNCAP has (lose a point for not indicating the presence of airbags with a sticker, more airbags means practically more safety as compared to structurally sound cars, & so on). I would hereby request you to post on the forum with level head & lesser show of emotions. Thanks | |
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Airbags don't 'blow up' on anyone's face. Airbags inflate in fraction of a second, cushion a passenger from impact by reducing their momentum of accelerating forward when the vehicle has been abruptly stopped and the airbag also instantly deflates. They don't blow up and no airbag is designed to cause injury to a passenger (do we think the regulators or appropriate authority wouldn't have thought about an airbag in a car that is not very structurally sound, when the airbags were designed and finally put into vehicles for production use)? Quote:
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They've only mentioned that they're committed to safety and are working on it. How they're committed to safety when they have a car for sale which can, from severely injure passengers to also kill them, I cannot understand. And if they're working on it, why did they rush to manufacture and release an unsafe car for Indian public? Their statement also mentions Mr. Yadav produdly claiming he said that these cars (so Nano included) are for global markets and they will meet the safety requirements of the country where the vehicle is going. Let them first produce a safe Nano car for customers in their home country, before trying to please the world. If by stating that 'the company would meet safety requirements' is admitting for selling a structurally unsafe car, that's not even a respectful confession. But that they will work on improving passenger safety, is the right way forward and worth appreciating. Like how VW declared all of their cars will now come with safety kit on all their variants. Quote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Forget all this. How many individuals who drive cars equipped with airbags even know that for an airbag to be beneficial in its functioning, that they need to sit with a distance of at least 25cms, from the centre of the steering wheel to their chest? We don't know because manufacturer didn't tell us when selling the car? ![]() Our safety is our responsibility. Safety should also be Affordable, so everyone can drive a safe car. I recommend anyone a read about how airbags work in its totality. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-dr...ces/airbag.htm Last edited by k_ajay : 5th February 2014 at 13:00. | ||||
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| ![]() A little OT, but it just occurred to me to find, what would happen to a 2-wheeler rider with a pillion hitting the similar strong wall at 64 KMPH ? with helmet, or without helmet ? Also found another report on crash test in US. The noticeable car is Chevvy Spark as this is the only one sold in India. but, US and India may get different grade products :( http://www.inquisitr.com/1107161/toy...yt-gSdQyVNUvTc |
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| ![]() I shudder to think that! Two wheelers are heavily exposed to life threatening situations, in that way if you think and it is highly alarming. |
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What might save them are good brakes and possible an evasive maneuver. And prayers to the almighty as well. | |
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| ![]() It is heartening to see the topic on safety finding a lot of attention and comments, frankly I was not at all surprised with the Alto 800 getting a perfect zero, but never expected i10 to be in the same league!! that is shocking to say the least. The larger issue is the build and structural integrity of the vehicle in the unfortunate event of a crash, there is no point in providing secondary restraint systems like Airbags in the absence of the first. I got the impression that a lot of people out there think that simply having airbags will make a vehicle safe which is a perception that cannot be further away from truth. Airbags in a structurally weak vehicle can cause more damage than protection. India is among a few countries with zero value placed to human life- there are no safety norms and crash worthiness defined and where ever this is defined it is seldom implemented ( the road worthiness certificate issued by the RTO is a cruel joke!!) We need to get the authorities to wake up, the tax levied on a vehicle, especially passenger cars needs to also be pegged to the safety rating of the car, this way people buying cars also may not go an buy the base version and even if they did , it would have the basic safety built in. True, this may make cars more expensive, but this would be far below the value of human life. In India we believe that accident is something that happens to others , so I do not need to bother about safety or pay more to ensure that I have a safe car, this attitude to some extent is due to ignorance and can be handled as for the other die-hard fatalist, ensuring that cars built, purchased and driven in India adhere to some basic safety norms is the only route. Quite surprised that Nano failed the crash test, in-fact, I was given to understand that Tata had tested the crash worthiness of the Nano before the handed the keys to the first customer- wonder what kind of test that was?? I would not still loose much sleep on the Nano, as this is meant to be a city car and most of the Indian cities ensure that cars move on an average of 12- 24 kmph ,but think about the million + worth so called SUV's and UV's like Xylo's, Scorpio's, Sumo's and many others, I would be very surprised even if they got a 2 star safety rating with airbags, these are vehicles which I doubt have undergone physical crash tests except on the road!!- No offence meant to the owners and fans of these vehicles- but just making a point. With the typical question Kitna deti hain?( how much does she give) we also need to ask ourselves Hum kitina khone ke liye thyyar hain?? ( How much are we ready to loose??) |
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| ![]() Those SUV's are a pathetic excuse. Toyota still has structural integrity in the innova and fortuner as shown by various accidents. But the others,oh they are just the worst. I remember some manufacturer ,I think Mahindra launched a 9 seator compact SUV!!! 9 seator !!! The back seat ,with no seatbelts ,no crumple zone! That's just stupidity. I still get funny looks from people when I fasten my seatbelt at the rear and force them to fasten it. That's the sorry state of safety. Don't get me started on the overloaded omnis with KIDS ! |
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For those who has watched NDTV CNB show featuring this crash test there was a video shown to get this point across. The car in video was a Chinese sedan (not sure of the make), it was having 2 airbags but the entire car till B pillar crumpled like it was made out of clay. | |
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| ![]() Seeing the ads in paper for cars like Etios (just an example) with Airbags I wonder if the airbags in this car is helpful OR more damaging. The car manufacturers are claiming premium in such cars over airbags and people are even paying the premium thinking that the cars are safer. However as has been seen that a Scorpio with airbags is still dangerous as it can crush the driver with its structure crumbling on his chest. Have a look at the crash test for new corolla. The cabin stays where its supposed to be and doesn't jump to hit the driver. Though we in India may not see the car with curtain airbags however the front airbags are atleast useful in this car. I see no point in having airbags in a car which crumples so badly that having airbags is nothing more than a fashion statement. |
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| ![]() Safety equipment should NOT be made mandatory across variants of a car model. Where does GOI draw the line if it adopts this approach? Mandating front and side airbags, ABS and EPS as mandatory even in the basic variant is not practical nor desirable. Customer should have the option to buy according to his needs. Unlike in other markets (say, financial services) there is never an attempt at mis-selling, over-selling a customer in auto industry. If he is buying a car to drive within city/neighbourhood, he shouldn't be forced to fork out more to buy things he doesn't foresee as a requirement for his style and usage. What is required from GOI though is to ensure vehicles that indulge in dangerous driving (highway driving, race track, rally sports, etc) have necessary safety equipment in them. |
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Government can ask manufacturers to ensure that the maximum speed of cars without safety kit is 35 km/h (city speed limit) since these cars would only be used in city/town limits and no one is legally allowed to exceed that speed in those conditions. Rules applied at the manufacturer level are the only ones that have some compliance since the offenders are typically left without a choice. If any owner tampers with the speed limiter mechanism, it can be dealt with in the same way that RTO does it for the heavy vehicles - seize the vehicle, cancel the registration, register a case against the owner etc. | |
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| ![]() i guess the manufacturers are giving the people what they want . i think it is the phenomenon in a country like ours where not just in cars ; in other products too; the companies are mainly targeting quantity over quality. Personally I always feel that if you want something you have to pay the price it deserves or deserve what comes out of not paying the price. |
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