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| ![]() I guess this is why people never get concerns on safety, there is always a choice to make. Safe, efficient, fun to drive,easy to maintain cars don't exist in our market as of now for lower segments, more crash testing might actually help, I never thought Figo would be safe since it is based on very old platform. |
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| ![]() Why are Indians being taken for granted. I am fuming inside looking at the manufacturers. who are gambling with our safety. When the Euro Swift has a 5 rating, Why are they selling substandard cars in India. Government has to do something about it. |
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The reason I stress for a strong regulator is so that they can set the standards for safer modern automobiles in India. Currently, How do we evaluate a car, only on the basis of the driving experience, features, cost and feedback from friends on aftersales. We do not really know the crash worthiness of any of the Indian cars. For instance I am now helping a relative purchase a sedan, and we are evaluating the Ciaz, Zest, City, Verna, Fiesta. Now please educate me on which one of them is the safest. I simply do not know. And I cannot even find out. None of the manufacturers mention the crash worthiness reports on their websites or on the brochures. The sales personnel do not know either. They just say that its safe due to the presence of airbags, ABS etc. But no one talks about the structural stability of the passenger cabin. And I am no expert in that area to be able to identify which one is better than the other. Thats why we need an independent crash testing report for indian cars. I'm glad that NCAP has tested some of the indian models and come out with their reports which are an eye opener for me atleast. The fact that we are discussing this at such great length is in itself such a positive development, and I am sure that the automobile manufacturers will have to take note sooner or later. A regulator will just help speed things up and will also help bring errant manufacturers on track. | |
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Sorry, this is not correct. The following is being quoted from their website which has the correct info. Quote:
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Please wake up to understand that when someone says sheet metal does not make a difference that statement is valid only when you are comparing two different cars. In this case the advantages of better steel in one car can be offset by better passive safety measures in another design But if you have the same chassis and the car for one market is made using poorer quality steel that version is deemed to be inherently weaker in construction. | |
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| ![]() Test results are not very shocking. Though, I expected these 2 cars to fare slightly better, scoring at least 3 stars. But more than this, I am shocked and disappointed by MSIL's reply. They have very cleverly used words to regain confidence of an average Indian car buyer. I would say that they are misleading Indian customers. If at the price point of Swift, MSIL cannot offer airbags, then it is really appalling. I expected 'Go' to perform better since it is a newer design. I would also take this opportunity to reply to the gentleman who posted previously on this thread about the sheet metal theory: Quote:
However, a heavier car will push the lighter car backwards more violently in a head on crash. Hence, the occupants of the lighter car will undergo forces higher than the heavier car occupants. That is certainly there, but structural integrity & design coupled with SRS is what makes a car actually safer. Also, as fellow members of this esteemed forum, we should think twice before calling people names: Quote:
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| ![]() First of all, watch your language, if anything, it's you need to wake up to the fact that there is a flaw in your understanding of how safety features in modern cars work. It is not about the weight of the sheet metal but the quality of construction and engineering. The new Ford fiesta uses lighter but stronger steel. The new Range Rover is 420 kgs lighter, yet stronger. You can build safer cars with less steel or with lighter steel by incorporating sandwich panels of different metals and by incorporating advanced occupant systems. In modern cars, stronger does not mean heavier. It means better engineered. Last edited by Astleviz : 7th November 2014 at 12:24. |
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Figo Polo Max Mosley has written to Renault-Nissan CEO in the past too regarding their practise of selling unsafe cars in developing markets, no wonder he's unhappy with Nissan and Datsun Go. From The Guardian : "Mosley is furious that Ghosn has failed to respond to two previous letters that he sent to the CEO outlining problems with cars it is selling in Latin America. When NCAP crash tested the Nissan Tsuru in 2013, the car came close to total collapse and is fitted only with two-point seatbelts instead of the conventional three-point seatbelts in the rear, making it impossible to fit a child seat properly." Crash test of Nissan Tsuru which is mentioned in that article "Global NCAP's Technical Director Alejandro Furas said that "body structures that collapse onto the people inside can have fatal or life-threatening consequences in real-world crashes." Src: http://www.theguardian.com/sustainab...P=share_btn_tw Last edited by Sankar : 7th November 2014 at 12:33. | |
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| ![]() So even cars with supposedly great build quality are not good without airbags? Figo same as Alto is really very bad. |
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Here is what the test report says- The Ford Figo had a structure that remained stable – and, therefore, with airbags fitted, protection for the driver and front passenger would be much improved. The vehicle structure was rated as stable, but without safety equipment such as airbags, too much of the crash energy was absorbed directly by the occupants. So if you want to buy a safe car, you can consider a Figo provided it is the model which has airbags and abs. | |
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Of all the Indian cars tested the only exception is Datsun Go, which the NCAP says is futile to add airbags to because the body crumples around the passengers. It has the weakest cabin structure of all cars tested. Last edited by Sankar : 7th November 2014 at 12:43. | |
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Difference is that Global NCAP test is at 64km/h while UN safety test is at 56km/h. Below are the results from the UN's basic safety test done by Global NCAP along with their crash test: ![]() Apologies. Crash test videos we see are for the 64km/h crash. I got confused between the UN's basic safety test (at 56 km/h) and the Global NCAP (at 64km/h) since Global NCAP mentioned both in the same article. Figo passed the basic test since the driver didn't hit the steering at 56 km/h Last edited by zenren : 7th November 2014 at 13:05. | |
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| ![]() Those who would like to reach out to the VP of marketing who has defined safe speeds for India, may do so via facebook https://www.facebook.com/manohar.bhat Those who would like to vent their anger at Maruti, please do so here: https://twitter.com/Maruti_Corp |
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| ![]() Doesn't one of those laws of physics say something about Equal and opposite? |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() Hi Folks, I think we are missing on a key point here, NCAP is not the regulatory authority in India and this is not tested as per Indian standards. All our vehicles fully pass the ARAI tests and the standards are set by Government. And also if we benchmark NCAP, its not only Go & Swift but many Indian spec cars fail. |
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