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| ![]() Sure seat belts work which is why I wear them. Only, if my car is in a head on collision with a drunk driver and my bonnet crumples like an eggshell, trapping my legs and driving the steering column into my ribcage, I suppose I can say, with perfect truth, that I faced up to that oncoming disaster and didn't move a muscle as all that metal hurtled at me. Good job. |
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There you go again. People not using seat belt is not an excuse to not provide an airbag or ABS or any such life saving safety aids. Ones lack of responsibility should not be a reason for slowing down improvements on the safety front on the other hand. | |
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| ![]() NCAP tests are done on the basic model. In india W4 is the basic model which doesn't have 6 airbags, this what I meant. |
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While it's true that the modern heavier cars generally tend to have safer structures than the tin cans, it all boils down to the cost cutting the manufacturer does. The Etios/Liva are lighter than Dzire/Swift, but in Latin NCAP, the Swift's structure took a hit similar to the Indian Swift, but the Liva's structure remained stable. In one of the threads, a post related to Etios' crash was made where the pic showed that the passenger cabin was completely stable even though the bonnet area had got damaged heavily. I don't know if the crash speed was less than 64 km/h or not but we can be pretty sure it wasn't too less either. Looking at that pic, it makes me have some amount of hope that the Indian Etios/Liva's structure will be stable in the GNCAP test as well. What we can get from it is that Toyota has focused on cost cutting more on interiors than on the structure while it is opposite in case of Maruti Suzuki and Hyundai who cut costs in areas where it is not visible to the customers. If the Indian Liva has the same structure as the Brazilian one, then it's the only hatch in India other than Polo to have a non zero rating. Last edited by suhaas307 : 31st December 2014 at 14:50. Reason: Spacing, for readability. Thanks. | |
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| ![]() Wrong, the W4 has only just come out in the last few months so the test had to have been done on the W6 and or the W8 both of which have 6 air bags. |
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But I have lifted the bonnet of the punto and the quality of steel used seems 10 times better than any other European/Japanese car. Mod Note: Please quote ONLY the relevant bits of a post. Quoting a full, long post inconveniences our mobile readers. Last edited by Rudra Sen : 23rd November 2014 at 10:45. | |
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| ![]() It's simplistic to say that a heavier car is safer. Remember that the higher the weight, the more energy is dissipated in a crash, at a given speed. In frontal impacts, safety is more to do with what happens in case of the crash and how the energy can be absorbed by the car structure, directing it away from the passenger cell, and therefore keeping the passengers safe. Having said that, there is no excuse for structural failures that seem to occurring in these crash tests. No engineer, least of all somebody heading an engineering organization should be allowed to stand behind such failures. These few CEOs are misleading us by saying that we can opt for higher variants. Are they willing to certify that a higher variant has better structural safety? Of course not, that would be bad for sales. Even at higher prices, you may end up with poor safety. This is more about attitude and the value attached to individual lives in this country, than anything else. You don't need a law to respect life. |
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![]() It's not relevant to bring the unfortunate accident involving the late Gopinath Munde into this discussion. I don't have the full details, but according to reports his untimely death was due to cardiac arrest. He was reported to be conscious and asked to be taken to the hospital. Both his guard and driver on the front seats didn't get hurt, and one of them had to be seated on the same side of the car as the late minister. This would mean the collision was not severe as even the occupants of the other car were safe. Wearing the seat belt might have saved him, I don't know for sure though. Last edited by RSR : 23rd November 2014 at 12:48. | |
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1. An expensive car may not be the safest. Perhaps the Scorpio, a vehicle with a kerb weight of 2520 kgs may have absorbed the impact forces and transmitted less shock waves to the person's body that might have saved him. 2. Mostly back seat passengers never wear seat belts. It is rare in India. 3. If the car that is currently being sold as the best car on Indian roads fails to pass a safety test, it is an indicator of the fact- HOW PRECIOUS IS THE LIFE OF A PERSON IN INDIA? | |
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