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Originally Posted by gthang If we know the meaning of the "adjective", and if used in the right context, what is commonly known as "Name Calling", can be allowed? |
Name calling as you call it, is a very healthy way of expressing oneself. I dont see any problems calling somebody a hero or a fool, especially if one articulates why, and even better if ones post under ones own name and takes responsibility for what one says in public.
If name calling results in real abusive language I believe it is inappropiate. Usually, the ones that resort to real abusive language tend to be the what I would call "the thickies of the Internet". They do not offer any real insights as to what forms their opinion, just fill up blogs with garbage. For some reason few of them know how to spell and they have a fondness for using capital letters a lot. Unfortunately the internet is full of these idiots, it can not be helped and is best ignored or on forums like these should be moderated/deleted.
I understand you might take exception on me calling certain individuals thick and idiots as you would see it as "name calling", but I would like to think a lot of people actually agree with me on the above paragraph.
I cant define the borderline between what is acceptable and what isn't. Although I would like to think that most people will be robust enough to not take offense if someone is called a fool. But I could be wrong. I've certainly been called a lot worse by people I know really well and by those whom are just an alias on the Internet. I dont loose sleep over either.
Whatever it is there are likely to be a long list of "names" that for the vast majority of us would definitely be not acceptable. But a fairly large grey area of contention exists as well between what is acceptable and what isn't.
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Originally Posted by gthang So, we are hoping that using demeaning adjectives against a person will make that person realize his folly and correct his ways? |
Well, I can't speak for anybody else, but I've said it before that I dont think this forum and its content has even one iota of influence over the Car Industry at large, let alone one individual. If a discussion can only be held based on its net result on the topic at hand we'd run out of things to discuss pretty quickly.
This forum, or specifically this thread is just a discussion where individuals exchange their thoughts on a particular topic. It doesnt and probably will not have a conclussion. Nor is there likely to be a measureable effect. Some might adjust their opinions maybe a bit, based on the discussion.
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Originally Posted by gthang Or, are we using the freedom that this forum allows us to express our contempt against a person and his policies by using names? |
I havent really seen anything that amounts to what I would call "abusive" language. But again, that is always in the eye of the beholder.
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Originally Posted by gthang Either way, I would like to submit that I am NOT in favor of "Calling Names", is in bad taste and strongly believe that is not the culture to encourage. |
So what culture would you encourage then? I am a hardcore liberal, anything that isn't explicitly forbidden is allowed. Whether that makes it bad taste or bad manners is a matter of opinion.
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Originally Posted by gthang I realize now that this thread is dedicated solely to highlight Mr. Bhargava's folly in speaking up. And the discussion is limited to how we can ridicule him personally and in the process hope that Maruti changes it's policies. |
No, I think that is "factually" incorrect, (probably just my opinion, but still!) You really should reread the whole thread and SS-Traveller summarized it well in an earlier post. There is a fundamental difference in what members think of Mr. Bhargava based on what he was saying.
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Originally Posted by gthang If the scope of the discussion could be extended a little bit, one could discuss WHAT he actually said, and also Maruti relative to other companies. |
Please do, I for one, would be interested.
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Originally Posted by gthang But as I have discovered repeatedly recently, that is not allowed. |
Who does not allow this? As long as you are not banned, you can put your thoughts on this or any TeamBHP thread. I certainly do!
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Originally Posted by gthang I sincerely wish this same zeal against Mr. Bhargava would be shown against some other "Scions of Industry", who unlike Mr. Bhargava, a professional answerable to a board, have greater control of their company's policies. |
I'm sure there are even worse CEOs than Mr. Bhargava. But he is still accountable for his own actions or lack thereof. You can never ever (again this is just my opinion) deflect one's own responsibility by pointing at others.
So yes, road safety in India is a very complex subject. But dont point at others what they should be doing. Do what you can and should be doing yourself first. Just because there are worse CEOs then Mr. Bhargava doesnt make him a good CEO. It doesn't excuse him.
I still believe he should be doing much bettter on this particular topic.
Jeroen