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Originally Posted by Samba Am quoting SS-Traveller from another thread for the below Fortuner accident. As you mentioned above the sensors are generally placed behind the bumpers. From the look it seems the Fortuner has rear end some high trailor . Attachment 1344934 Attachment 1344935 |
The airbag sensors work by either measuring the displacement, deceleration, pressure difference or some other variable, it is generally a combination of various factors depending upon vehicle to vehicle. More the number of sensors better the protection but higher the cost, particularly the accelerometers are pretty expensive to use when compared to displacement measuring devices.
The Fortuner in the above case appears to be a offset under-run and not a full under-run crash where the sensors located in the front end don't get impacted directly and fail to trigger the airbag.
The reason for the airbags not getting deployed could be at times intentional on the part of the designer or due to some design limitations.
Talking about the design limitation part first.
In a normal frontal crash the Airbag gets inflated before the occupant strikes the airbag and by the time impact between the airbag and occupant occurs the airbag actually starts deflating, this deflating action actually provides the cushioning effect and helps in arresting the velocity of the occupant head.
When compared to a under-run crash the advantage in regular frontal crash scenario is that the crash sensors are located much ahead of the passenger cabin (in and around the bumper region to be precise)directly in the impact zone. This provides the airbag control unit enough time to analyse the input from the sensors and trigger the airbags, also there is sufficient time for the airbags to inflate as well.
Whereas in case of a pure under-run crash the sensors in the front end will miss direct impact hence wont be able to measure significant displacements.
However if the vehicle is fitted with Acceleration sensors along with displacement sensors it will still be able to sense the crash as deceleration of the vehicle will be a global phenomenon and irrespective of the sensor location it will provide a input sufficient for the sensor to notice it.
However it could be possible that due to the small area of contact in the case of an under-run crash the pulse generated may not be large enough to trigger the airbag.
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Originally Posted by Samba In another example i found airbags has not deployed in this Etios crash.
This was put down by Amalji, as what Toyota showroom told him. Attachment 1344936
In both the cases it looks like the airbag sensors were not triggered properly.
Now my question is accidents can happen from any angle. I remember a case where an i20 hit a pole (Lamp post) and airbags were not deployed due to the very same reason. Same should occur in case of a side ways crash where the front bumper is not involved. So my basic query is why the manufacturers do not increase the number of sensors and put them in few more locations like the A pillar or some place which is higher than the front bumper ? Am just asking because of the pure lack of my knowledge. Is this because it will increase the car cost or there are any other reasons? |
Now talking about the intentional part for not allowing the airbags to inflate.
These could be the main reasons as per my knowledge when the designer may decide not to allow the airbags to deploy in case of an under-run
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If the designer feels it is not important to deploy the airbag as it may not help in reducing the injury to the occupant, he may decide against the airbag getting deployed.
(sorry for the poor image quality)
In the above case we can see a under-run crash with airbags not getting deployed, if we have a close look at the driver we will notice that he is still very much in his original driving position in spite the entire bonnet region sliding under the truck and even after the deformation of roof, A-pillar and door has started.
In this case the driver will suffer injuries by the intruding truck rear-end members and not by hitting the steering or other parts of his vehicle.
Now even if the airbags deploy the occupants will not come in contact with them, hence the designer in such case may decide against deploying the airbags.
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In the second case the designer feels that deployment of airbag may harm the occupant more than protecting it. Hence he may decide against deployment of airbag in this case.
As i mentioned earlier, the occupants come in contact with the airbag in the deflation phase and hence the cushioning effect. As it is could be seen from the above image that the front end appears to have survived the impact without significant damage, this would have probably not generated a significant output from the sensors due to which the airbag doesn't get deployed.
Now imagine a scenario where we have sensors mounted at the A-pillar (
as many members wanted to know why no sensors in the a-pillar and higher locations) these sensors will in this case definitely sense an impact and will generate a output high enough to trigger the airbag, but the problem starts here.
As the A-pillar sensors are located very close to the occupant (compared to frontal impact sensors in bumper) the time available for the control unit to evaluate the pulse from them and trigger the airbag will very less, the occupant in this case will come in contact with the airbag in the inflation stage and not during deflation stage (when compared with regular frontal impact).
Now imagine getting hit by a inflating airbag at about about 200-300 kmph, these are literally neck-breaking speeds. The forward movement of the occupants due to vehicle crash and then the impact in opposite direction by the airbag will cause severe trauma to the occupants. in such case the designer may decide against the deployment of the airbag.
The key to protect the occupants in any case is to sense the impact as early as possible.
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Originally Posted by Ashir The question is genuine. It all depends on the manufacturer where he places the sensors and how many they provide. Each assembly of airbags involves some serious engineering with estimation of motion of occupant in car during collision.
Now sensors could be mounted to A pillars and doors for detecting frontal-side or side collisions. During side collision, on rough estimation, the occupants would bang on to their side opposite to the direction of impact (inertia stuff). But if manufactures decide to omit curtain airbags (side) with sole reason of reducing costs, there won't be any use of deploying front airbags in most of the side collisions. Why omit such a safe feature ? Simply because side collisions are much less likely to happen than frontal collision.
Regarding vertical height of positioning of sensors, one might think what would be the need of height sensors since bumpers would be the first one to crash! Lets bring truck into the accident. What if one crashes into a truck from side or rear ? Yes, it would be a direct hit to A pillars for most of the cars, without touching bumper. So here comes the need of positioning sensors at height too! |
@Ashir Hope i have been able to answer you doubt regarding positioning of sensors at height.
Nowadays some high end cars have pressure sensors built inside the door which sense pressure change in case of side impact and create a pulse for the control unit.
Another thing regarding Side impact, the side airbags operate on the same principles as the front airbags but they deflate very slowly when compared to frontal airbags, this is to provide continuous protection in case of a rollover.