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Originally Posted by printh Yeah a good point but lot of the affordability seeking Indian customers can't really cope with the maintanence woes and prices of the (in)famous German Marques.
But having said that,the comparison of i20 and swift is a viable option to the customer prioritising the term AFFORDABILITY. |
I agree on the cost of maintenance aspect of premium cars. This does scare many people away from these premium marques, even if they turn out to be value-for-money buys in the pre-owned segment (thanks to the first owner taking the big depreciation hit). But these premium cars happen to be loaded to the gills with active and passive safety aids, even on their base variants.
One way to reduce the cost of owning a pre-owned premium car would be to find a competent independent garage that has earned a reputation for working on such premium cars. Such places do exist in many cities, but one needs to search for them.
And yep, even if one is understandably wary of the premium marques, the pre-owned route does have other options for finding cars with a decent safety equipment list.
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Originally Posted by hybridpetrol How much all these mean when there is no structural rigidity in the car? For instance, if Tata Nano, with its flimsy build quality, comes up with ABS in its next update (they might, given that they are first in lowest priced car first, then an automatic). Doesn't such thing lead to a false sense of safety?
When the weak by structure, doesn't these "safety features" turn into a mere marketing gimmick, and only will promote the proliferation of unsafe cars? |
I think everyone must keep in mind that there is no such thing as an "absolutely safe car". There have been accidents resulting in casualties in even Mercedes S-Classes, Volvos etc.
Having said that, one
simply cannot dismiss safety equipment as "marketing gimmicks". This would be grossly incorrect!
In a Tata Nano, equipment such as ABS, ESP etc. can help in avoiding accidents or uncontrollable situations. So they're welcome even in cars with a supposedly "weak structure".
One must also understand that manufacturers do not throw in airbags just to pass them off as a marketing feature. Tata sent a Nano to the UK for testing, and it passed the government regulated frontal offset crash test at 56 kmph (note - this is a legally mandated test in UK/Europe, and not the same as NCAP's frontal offset test at 64 kmph). This particular Nano was not only equipped with a driver airbag, but it also had some structural enhancements to make the airbag function effectively, and it did function effectively, enabling the Nano to pass the test.
When Nissan/Datsun ware harshly (and deservedly) criticised for the sadly unstable structure in the Go, they were forced to improve the grade of structural steel used in the car, along with providing an optional airbag (at least that is what they claim). Their claims should be put to the test either by G-NCAP or by the new ARAI crash test that India will get sometime in the future.
Let's not forget one thing. G-NCAP gave the Swift base variant (without airbags) a 0* rating in the frontal offset crash test at 64 kmph. The same made-in-India Swift in its top end variant (with 2 airbags) got a 3* rating in the same crash test by G-NCAP / Latin-NCAP. The Polo without airbags got a 0* rating, and the same Polo with 2 airbags got a 4* rating. There are plenty of other examples with Latin-NCAP & ASEAN-NCAP.
As long as a car's structure is reasonably decent, the addition of airbags makes a difference to its safety,
a very big difference! So airbags are very welcome in most economy cars sold in India. Therefore, I vehemently disagree with your statement about airbags being a "marketing gimmick".
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Originally Posted by printh Yes absolutely in our current context,they are just marketing gimmicks in the view of the manufacturer...6 airbags,abs,ebd,tcs,esp will win the hearts of our customers than rigid structure with 2 airbags +abs ebd. |
I strongly disagree with the "marketing gimmick" thing. Please see my reply to
hybridpetrol above.
Besides, do you
really think "marketing gimmicks" like 6 airbags, ABS, ESP, TC etc. are going to win the hearts of Indian customers, a large proportion of whom believe airbags and ABS are meant for the "safety conscious"?
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Originally Posted by printh To provide a simple example airbags might save a driver from the steering wheel impact but not from the rear end of the vehicle being hit upon entering the car owing to its weak structure. |
Front airbags are meant to soften the hard blow (which could turn out to be fatal) that would resulting from colliding with the steering/dashboard, aren't they? So even in a car with a supposedly "weak structure", they provide (possibly
life-saving) protection in a head-on or offset impact!
Similarly side & curtain airbags soften the blow resulting from side-impacts, T-bone impacts and side-on collisions against a tree or a pole. Side airbags are designed specifically to provide some protection for the chest/torso from side impacts with a heavy vehicle (like a truck). And curtain airbags provide protection for the heads of
both front & rear passengers not only in side impacts, but also in the much more dangerous tree or pole impact. You may feel they're mere "marketing gimmicks" but crash-safety experts at NCAP, IIHS etc. don't think so.
Take a look at how much protection side & curtain airbags can provide even in small, economy cars like the Peugeot 107 / Citroën C1 / Toyota Aygo triplets,
not only in side impacts and pole collisions, but also in a frontal offset collision:
So you're welcome to have an opinion that side & curtain airbags are mere "marketing gimmicks", but many others think they're very useful safety aids that help in saving lives!
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Originally Posted by Rajeevraj Nice thread RSR. I would say the pick of the lot is the Ford Ecosport. Dual Clutch AT, 6 airbags, Hill Assist, ESC all under 10L Ex Showroom. Ford should have done this with the Aspire also. As I mentioned in the Aspire thread, Aspire Titanium+ AT would have been priced at 8.5L Ex Showroom...
The other point is seat belts. In India, I would say 99% of people in the back seat are not belted. So in such a scenario I assume side/curtain airbags can do more harm than good.
In Kerala, the previous transport commissioner-Rishiraj Singh, brought in a rule that rear passengers should wear seat belts. It was shot down by the government itself. |
Thank you, Rajeevraj! I think the Aspire may get a Titanium+ AT version later, once Ford meets the initial demand and understands that there are people willing to pay for a top spec AT variant.
Yup, manufacturers like Volkswagen & Toyota need to be heartily appreciated for making at least dual airbags standard on ALL their cars.
I think Ford would also join this list quite soon.
About back seat passengers not being belted, I don't think side & curtain airbags going to do more harm than good. Colliding with an air-filled thing (even an explosively inflating one) is any-day going to be better (i.e. less harmful or cause less hurt) than colliding with a hard metal / plastic / glass surface with the same momentum. Don't you think so?
About the Kerala government's flip-flop, I have nothing to say. Other than the fact that it may take a very, very long time for Indians to become safety conscious.
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Originally Posted by Asish_VK Also I feel manufacturers should take proactive steps and make Safety a standard features of their all cars. And they can give us many others add ons as options. Like Music system, Touch Screen navigation, Automatic lights / Climate controls to name a few. That way they can sell the cars at different price points without compromising saftey. |
Thank you! Yes, it would be great to have safety features as standard on the base variant, and additional comfort, cosmetic and other features added with each increasing trim level. This is how it is in the developed markets, thanks to their awareness, and the efforts of organisations like NCAP.