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| ![]() Unless legislation mandates or rather forces manufacturers to comply to higher crash test standards, nothing is going to change. Incorporation of safety measures is one of the biggest cost drivers in the development process of vehicles and as everyone knows, OEM's are loathe to add even a single paisa. Manufacturers in India who are developing vehicles here, will tell you, that "look, our cars are meeting the standards and specifications prevailing in your country now..." and technically speaking, they are actually not violating the rule book. Indian crash norms are non existent. For example, as far as my limited knowledge goes, manufacturers in India do not need to go for an offset frontal crash, which is actually tougher to meet than a full frontal crash. Also in the antiquated full frontal crash, that our country has, the measurement is taken as to how far the steering column moves. If the column moves within a designated value inside the cabin, then its a pass. No chest loading, knee loading, pole test etc are taken. Same goes for side crash. In India it is cleverly termed as "side intrusion" - not side impact! Again an "xxx"mm value / displacement is taken to judge a pass. Rear impact, luggage intrusion, which is popularly known as "Eurobox test" is not mandatory for homologation. So its not done! Neither are rear fog lights mandatory, so if one wants, don't provide a foglight! And this is the reason why we still have ancient 30 year old Japanese platforms and vehicles like Maruti Omni running around and being produced happily. If HM was alive, even fresh new pieces of the good old Amby would still have been produced ! Again, technically, these vehicles "meet the prevailing Indian safety standards" And this is the big picture. OEM's will never, ever voluntarily incorporate or design advanced safety measures in their vehicles, measures which they will say, "are not needed by the country's present standards". And that unfortunately, on "paper" is a "correct" statement they will be making. Yes, Completely Built Up, (CBU's), and those "global vehicles" which are made and exported to EU will in all probability meet the NCAP tests as usually for these vehicles the Body - In - White, (BIW), is common, and it takes too much of an effort to have "separate" BIW's for India an export versions - but again here also, one can tweak a few reinforcements and brackets, here and there and have an "Indian" version. Case in point is the old, and now discontinued "Aston - Martin - Grille" Ford Fiesta. A friend of mine told me once the Fiesta was extremely expensive to build because large parts of the BIW, such as A-pillars, cant rails etc were impregnated with boron steel for superior crash performance. However it did not sell much and did not make money for Ford India. Yes, it is indeed a matter of "conscience" for the OEM's. But then business, (read that as money making), and conscience are strange bedfellows and can hardly be considered to be lovers! All we can hope for is for the speedy roll out of our version of NCAP. And along with that, banks & financial institutions should increase the scope of new vehicle purchase, through flexible, innovative financing models. This will enable that, despite the higher sticker price, prospective owners will still be able to buy safer vehicles for themselves and their families. |
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| ![]() I am wondering, along with the crash tests as done by GNCAP is it not important that we also have some bench marking by the way of crashing two cars head on. I mean the Scorpio's structure got deformed when crashed against a stationary target. In case of a head on collision between say a Scorpio and a Polo, what will happen? If for each hatchback they test if we also have a result of head on collision with an SUV, it would be easier for the layman to understand the practical implications. |
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Senior - BHPian | ![]() ![]() Were you guys expecting anything different? Making a car crash worthy is a science. WIthout laws to force the manufacturers to test this, instead of providing a "Stylish Gearknob with LED light", they couldn't have "accidentally" made a 5 Star vehicle. "Sir, we got 5 Stars!". "O teri!! Sweets for the staff. Mirchi nimbu for the cars!" As a byproduct of getting a zero, since negatives were impossible(Look at it and your leg will break), I hope the Indian NCAP are worthy, and not something drafted with the manufacturers as Prime-consultants. |
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| ![]() It is sad that these cars failed the tests. But my point is - Why test a car knowing that it does not have airbags and rate it at Zero stars? We do not need crash tests to tell us that these cars would have scored a zero. Every manufacturer has sold a car in India with no airbags (including VW and Toyota). |
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Results of Figo & Polo tested some time ago scored 1 or 2 stars but mentioned that with airbags, cars would have scored higher. | |
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While absence of airbags guarantee low rating, we should not forget that the cabin was deemed unstable for ALL the cars which got 0 star in the latest test. i.e. Even with airbags, the rating would be exactly the same. On the other hand, last time around, when Polo, Etios, Figo got 0 star due to the absence of airbags, GNCAP had noted that the cabin was stable for Polo and Figo (I dont remember about Etios). I feel really bad for people who still maintain that
In my opinion, any extra safety feature results in better safety and having them does not really hurt - does it? I am someone who will hope that the safety equipment in my car is never put to use, but I should have them in case I need them to come to my rescue. And, there are other posts that ASSUME the below (there could be more - I can only recollect these):
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Please see the post here for more detail- http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian-car-scene/168182-india-made-hyundai-grand-i10-fails-latin-ncap-crash-test-8.html#post3804177 | |
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| ![]() An A segment car without airbags - I can live with. But most A segment cars sold in India are made for India. Many cars like the Eon have been developed ground up for the south/south-east Asian market and crores have been spent on the development. Why can't structural safety as per NCAP standards be mandated during development by these companies? I can understand Airbags and ABS will add to the cost of the car, but if structural safety is considered during development, will it add significant cost to each unit of the car? |
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Or should we looks for something other than the validated crash tests to conclude on the safety aspect? | |
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I would believe the ratings to be true only if cars tested were made in and purchased from India and not export models. Hope this clarifies. | |
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quote: Road safety: new European rules on seat belt use The latest European Directive[1] on the compulsory use of seat belts has to be incorporated into law in the Member States by 9 May 2006. Under the existing European legislation it was compulsory to use seat belts in vehicles below 3.5 tonnes fitted with restraints. This obligation has now been extended to all categories of vehicles. The Directive also requires the use of restraint systems specially adapted for children. Unquote Source: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-06-583_en.htm Realising the importance of safety and the measures to be taken, the adoption was unanimous and subsequently lot of other introduction/amendments were made. The safe Europe that we pledge by today was possible only due to these strict laws enforced by the lawmakers of respective countries. The point now I am trying to make is; It is very easy to blame the Aam Junta for all the mess in our country. While you are true that we have high disregard for human life or safety, putting the blame entirely on them is not right. If the government really cares to make our roads and streets safer, they should enforce laws and make strict rules and punishments for offenders. For Ex: If ABS is made mandatory, whether you think you need it or not, It is already there and would play it's part when required. Same with Airbags too. We as common man are already burdened by this ever even increasing expenses and the holes in our pockets are getting bigger by each passing day. Having said that, I don't think it is insane for anyone to consistently think about ways to save more money. This eventually becomes the highest priority and it shows in there vehicle purchases too. In a country of 1.2 billion, it is almost impossible to make people aware of automotive or road safety. The only way to do is to have rules in place and make sure the enforcement agencies are doing their job whether it's the corporates or common people. The upcoming Bharath NCAP is a strong move towards that. India is growing and such a law should have been in place long back, but better late than never. From a Common Man.. Cheers.. Shiv | |
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![]() He also goes ahead to say no action will come of the results even if others (Renault) are doing something about it. We should at least appreciate his honesty on the subject even if it is gut wrenching. Read more at: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/bus...ce=ref_article | ||
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| ![]() - If Scorpio which is supposed to be one of the premium products of M&M had failed then I do not have much hopes on their cheaper products TUV300 and KUV100. We could conclude that they will also fail. - Maruthi seem to be the masters in failing the NCAP tests and deserve a PhD on 'how to fail NCAP tests'?. Their Alto and Swift failed. Ritz and Ertiga based on the same platform as that of Swift and we can conclude they will also fail. Now Celerio had failed? Wasn't that supposed to be the modern replacement of A-Star. Don't have much hopes on Baleno and Vitara Brezza clearing the test for Maruthi. |
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