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| ![]() We should view this debate from a competitive advantage point of view. So unless the top mfg show the way it has to be legalized for everyone for a level playing field (read cost advantage). |
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| ![]() A little metaphysical/philosophical aside, but I think it is appropriate Quote:
But you can spend the rest of your days in agony in a hospital bed, loose limbs, become a cabbage, etc etc. You might have a long time to wait until the return date, and it might be very unpleasant. Your family might not enjoy it much either, Or have much money left at the end of the process. So, with due respect for people's beliefs and all that, they just might want to think a little deeper. Because they might be absolutely right, but not quite in the way that they suppose. | |
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Some reputed auto companies had put a stall in our office campus showcasing the new vehicles and I happened to hear the conversation between one of the so called company "expert" guiding a prospective customer. When the gent asked a question on whether ABS is required and Airbags are needed, this fellow was making a statement that ABS is absolutely useless in the city!! ![]() When I interrupted him and told him that he's wrong, he was vociferously defending the statement and also told that he has data and statistics to prove that!! God help customers if morons like this are the sales advisors of auto companies, giving "guidance" to the customers! Last edited by haria : 25th May 2016 at 02:10. Reason: Removed the auto companies name in the 1st sentence | |
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We cannot compromise structural integrity and maybe a driver airbag. | |
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| ![]() Anybody here read of Rajiv Bajaj's alleged reply to Global NCAP's mail requesting him to attend a Safety Conference and speak on the Qute quadricycle? Motorbeam has an article on it, I am not going to link it since I cannot verify its authenticity yet but his reply to them was in very poor taste if it is a genuine mail reply. For the uninitiated, Mr.Bajaj wasn't happy about the negative coverage of his upcoming quadricycle, the Qute as it scored a 1 star rating and Global NCAP asked the manufacturer to make certain changes so it can get a higher rating and be road worthy as a public transport. In the alleged mail reply, Mr.Bajaj says that the Qute is still an improvement over existing autos and mopeds. |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Global NCAP describes new Renault 's KWID as “clearly sub-standard'' Quote:
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| ![]() lets understand NCAP crash test first. It only measures impact at 64kmph when the car hits a stationary barrier (supposed to show a rear ending impact) and the impact is measured. How realistic is this scenario in India? How many accidents are because car A has rear ended car B at 64kmph? The test doesn't claim to simulate real life Indian traffic and roads where in a car can hit/be hit by a truck, a bus, a cyclist, jaywalkers, stones on the road, barriers erected by police, tree trunk, animals and what not. Is there a safety standard to protect occupants from these and more? Can any car protect occupants from amazingly impossible accidents which pop up regularly on our accidents in India thread? Look at our mentality in the first place. We want all kinds of impact beams welded on all sides of the car, yet the car must not exceed 1000kgs in weight, must corner like a formula 1 car, must sip fuel at 50kmpl and must accelerate 0-100 in less than 10 seconds, and yes we must pay peanuts to buy all of this. Coming to peanuts we all know what happens when one throws peanuts don't we? |
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| ![]() While NCAP tests don't simulate all the various accidents that can possible occur, they do simulate good ones, which should give the buyer a fair idea of how the car survives crashes. And yeah, a combination of change in both the government's and car buyer's attitude is needed to set things right.. |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Secretary General of Global NCAP comments - India's chance to set global safety norms for quadricycles and why he thinks India has received Global NCAP test results better than Europe in the initial stage. Here is a recap, Two of the current cars ( base variant) plying on Indian roads with credible G NCAP crash ratings! ![]() ![]() http://www.autocarpro.in/video/autoc...bal-ncap-19885 Last edited by volkman10 : 26th May 2016 at 12:29. |
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Without getting too technical, here are the numbers Head Injury Criteria: 2010 - 650 & 1000 (upper limit & lower limit resp.) 2016 - 500 & 700 (upper limit & lower limit resp.) Note: Higher the number, worse is the performance. Simply put, if the same current protocol is applied to the 2010 Palio, it is deemed to get 0 stars. Quote:
It's good on GNCAP's part that they are doing this. At least now these things have started making some noise and eventually will raise awareness and will cause people to rethink their priorities. Let's hope so! ![]() Last edited by teemus : 26th May 2016 at 16:24. Reason: missed a word | ||
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![]() It seems that not only the manufacturers, but a lot of buyers, seem to think that the chanting the phrase Indian conditions is some sort of get-out clause. This is a myth (mythconception?) that needs to be got rid of. | ||
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Moreover, it's not the impact that is measure, the dummies have various accelerometers and sensors and the complete kinematics are studied. Also, there are different injury criteria for Head, Chest, Neck, Knee, Femur, Pelvis, Lower leg, Foot and Ankle. Each of these parts are checked for the respective injury criteria and ratings are derived from those results. There goes lot of science and even more study behind all this so let's not write off these tests. One thing that the OEM's here are saying is that the cars pass the 56kmph tests but GNCAP is testing at 64kmph which, by giving the benefit of doubt, can be considered a valid argument. If only someone would crashtest these cars at 56kmph so that the argument can be put to test. | |
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All the OEM claim is they pass CMV 1989 rules, which specify bare minimum concept of a car (like to ensure OEM don't use plastic or fibre instead of steel). | |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() Pardon me but which were these 56km/hr crash tests these manufacturers claim they have already passed? This 56km/hr is just mumbo jumbo. The unscrupulous way in which Renault tried to pass these tests should open our eyes at last to never trust corporations made to earn profits. |
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