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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() The Kwid, Celerio, Eeco, Scorpio, and Eon getting ridiculed by global media with the crash results and very rightly so! This Is What A Zero-Star Safety Rating Looks Like On Four Different Cars And here is the top comment on that article as of now. Quote:
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() I don't understand why they most often test non-airbag models of Indian cars. The rating will obviously be zero due to lack of airbags. Indian car buyers are relatively more aware about safety features than they were 10 years ago. Crash testing both types would be a good basis for comparison for them and might push them to buy airbag models. I, for one, am more interested in seeing how the airbag models of these four cars would fare (Eeco doesn't have an airbag option iirc). Wasn't exactly impressed with how the Kwid airbag model performed. |
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This also forced companies like Volkswagen, Toyota etc to make airbags standard in their cars. Else they would have happily sent the top end models only for testing too! And I've been corrected by one gentleman earlier, there are cars that scored a one star rating without airbags. Also, we can know about structural safety from lower variants as well. Cars like Kwid are useless even with airbags, the way they collapse under impact. | |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meanwhile, I just learn't that Japanese Kei cars do not meet global safety regulations. But they still constitute 40% of overall car sales in Japan. http://www.engineeringnewworld.com/?p=314 Quote:
I wonder if there is a truth in some Indian car bosses (Suzuki, Bajaj etc) claims that all that NCAP is doing is unnecessarily targeting them with not-so-noble intentions | |
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A badly built car is a badly built car, alleged selectively targeted criticism notwithstanding. The Indian customer (you and me included) stands to gain from it, so I welcome more of it, in spades. | |
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What people like Rahul Bajaj are saying is that these regulations are "elitist", because it will not allow low cost safer-than-two-wheeler vehicles like Qute to be in the market. Kills innovation too - when you kill a product because of regulations, you cannot solve mobility issues of literally billions of people in South Asia and Africa. I'm all for "transparency" though. Whether you are paying Rs. 5 Lacs or Rs. 15 Lacs, as a customer you ought to know what you are getting for it in safety terms. These NCAP ratings also should have better scoring system (instead of a big zero for cars with lower safety) - like a a score out of 100. | |
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Adding basic safety equipment to cars does NOT cost a significant amount (as a percent of the non-equipped, otherwise-identical car's sticker price), no matter how loud manufacturers complain about it. Want examples? The latest one came in just this week. The new i20 with FOUR extra airbags is dearer by only 15000 INR. That's 2.5% even assuming a 6 Lac sticker price (i20 is actually much costlier but that only adds to my argument). I'd love to believe Hyundai did it cheaply out of the goodness of their noble hearts but we both know better than that. Want a poor man's example? Maruti's (O) models are offered at a difference of ~6000-20000 INR across variants (quoting BLR prices for the Alto K10, but other models are in the same ballpark too), which is about 5% assuming a 4 Lac sticker price (actual prices may be higher which again just adds to my argument). Long story short, my point isn't that anyone unable to pay a certain amount for safety features is out of luck and should continue using (relatively) unsafe means of transport. My point is manufacturers are pulling a fast one on customers by complaining about imaginary exorbitant higher costs that don't match with ground reality. The difference is in lower single digit percentages, at best. This vicious cycle of 'it costs too much and you don't need it anyway' arguments needs to be broken because neither part of that argument is true, and it's costing real people real life/limbs even as I write this. The manufacturers know this already; teaching the people would be a longer, tougher journey but it won't even begin if we continue with the 'at least it's safer than a two-wheeler' mindset. Offering basic safety from the very base model does not cost much (if we believe the manufacturers' own price-lists), and it's WAY BEYOND time such was offered as standard to EVERYONE. Hardly an 'Elitist' argument that, eh? Last edited by Chetan_Rao : 7th September 2016 at 15:31. | |
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You need to also keep in mind that the Baleno has a 10% bigger volume than the Swift. And keep in mind that a much smaller car ( the Alto ) still weighs 700 kgs! So, it's not like it's going to take another 100 kgs to make the car safe. On the contrary, the Mahindra Scorpio's kerb weight is around 2000 kgs. What's the excuse that Mahindra has to explain the kind of structural instability ? Last edited by amalji : 7th September 2016 at 15:58. | |
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That's an argument for price competition methodologies, not the topic of debate here so I'll leave it at that. Quote:
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() Indian Swift, Polo, old Figo and i10 were already tested by NCAP. Out of these only Polo and Figo's structural integrity was deemed as stable. Since these cars are in the same segment and priced more or less the same, I am inclined to believe that it doesn't cost a bomb to offer a stable structure. In the absence of any laws here, companies are making merry with cost cuttings, if it saves them some cash. |
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