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It scored 3 stars. How does the Indian spec vary in terms of structural strength? | |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() And lame duck statements from Mahindra & Renault roll in. BIG FAIL! We should tell the CEOs of these companies to use their own zero-rating cars on Indian highways. Reminds me of a board I saw in a restaurant once that went The owner of this restaurant eats here too. Am sure that doesn't apply to the guys who built these cars. Quote:
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What is surprising is that car makers in India have not devoted marketing budgets for publicizing safety features. If someone wants to know the safest car in every segment, there's no metric today. Companies keep harping on about the remote-boot release and touch screen entertainment but don't realize that people will respond most positively to information about safety. Most car buyers don't care about safety because they don't know its importance. If they knew that India tops the list of road fatalities, they would definitely care. People spend thousands on doing a good Puja for their new car. They would definitely spend a few thousands more for 2 airbags. In the used car segment there are so many cars that did not do well in the market and yet make great purchases. There are models that are a generation old but offer 6 airbags. It is a much, much better place to shop in for budget conscious customers like me. | |
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| ![]() India to introduce new car assessment program likely to be known as 'Bharat NCAP' Details of the program will be made public in the next 10 days according to Abhay Damle, Joint Secretary, Ministry of Road Transport & Highways (MoRTH) The proposed speed for offset frontal crash testing vehicles under Bharat NCAP is 56kph which is lower than Global NCAP’s proposal of 64kph AV Mannikar, Senior Deputy Director, Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI) confirms that the safety rating may include 2 & 3 wheelers too http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...me-401943.aspx |
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| ![]() So why sell those variants, knowing it could kill the driver? |
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| ![]() Are NCAP results published in the newspapers? I never read about NCAP or any other safety rating related news in the papers ever although car launch related news and car ads are always in plenty. If not, then a major factor of lack of awareness among people is low media coverage. After all, what proportion of actual car buyers visit automotive websites or forums like TBHP. So until media takes up the awareness part, no adverse rating will affect car sales and we'll continue to get sub-standard cars. Or is the media not interested in these tests because car dealers and manufacturers give them a lot of front page and back page coloured ads? |
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| ![]() This is such an eye opener for all of us!! What do the experience BHPians suggest the owners of the respective car owners? They have invested heavily and the car is not safe, including myself. I have a genx nano. How do we plan to move to a safer car ? What precautions should we take with our current unsafer cars? |
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| ![]() No surprises here - No, not even the Scorpio. In days when even international models see so much of corners cut in India, I do not India specific models to get any special treatment. I am always of the belief that weight of the car, thickness of panels, thud of the door are immaterial to the real-world safety of the car. Above might give you a sense of safety but may not really be safe. Safety is more about engineering and design. How else can you explain 4 star rating for Etios and 0 star for Scorpio? Over the weekend I was telling my wife how unsafe these Kwids are when I see them flying around at 100+ kmph in the highways. This car sells so much that I saw more Kwids on highways than Cretas or Balenos. Test results just reinforces my belief. This car is not highway ready. I am really happy I managed to dissuade a friend of mine who was hell bent on buying this VFM car as it looked great and had good GC. I just told him VFM aside, VFL (L for Life - just in case you are in doubt) is too less in this car. Seeing such lame ![]() In addition to the base models, I would like to see test results of mid and top variants of more Indian made premium cars like:
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| ![]() It is not only cars, transportation sector on the whole is so unsafe in India. Have you looked at the condition of state transport or private buses. Safety in railways is altogether a different issue. I now have to do a return journey from Jalandhar to Delhi every week and sometimes twice. Looking at the options I have, can't help but feel that I willingly put my life in high risk atleast two times a week. While I am at it, why are no seat belts provided in buses? Even in the high end buses, I do remember waking up from slumber because my head banged against something when the driver did a hard stop. PS: That car Scorpio - gosh its not even funny any more. That mighty muscular thing. Oh man! Last edited by GTO : 18th May 2016 at 08:52. Reason: Sorry, but we cannot allow running down any particular region (e.g. Jammu). Please avoid |
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| ![]() Damn, just the look of that running board on kwid 1 bending under impact is enough to give nightmares. Wonder why do these manufacturers take people for a ride in the name of making cars affordable. Seems like the body frame itself is different the way the two cars compare here |
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The structure of the scorpio is unstable. Airbags are going to be of little help. I would like to see the Baleno, Jazz, i20, Amaze, City, Ciaz, BR-V and Creta being tested. Quote:
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| ![]() I have a thought which may well be tangential to the current outrage over Indian cars failing global NCAP tests. As far as I know the NCAP tests are conducted from frontal impact at 60 odd kmph, and a lateral collision/offset collision at a particular speed and the cars to pass have to ensure cabin deformity is minimal and occupants inside are safe/suffer minimal injury. That is all good, but what about actual Indian road conditions? A quick glance on the accidents in India thread show BMW/Mercedes/Audi and all high end cars crumpling like tin cans and killing occupants inside simply because they hit a truck/bus chassis and there was no way that the car could have protected the occupants from the impact. Our trucks/buses have zero under run protection, have metal angles attached to the chassis, the body itself is higher than most car roofs, basically we have no standards pertaining to their build let alone safety. Likewise our roads, the objects next to roads like houses, lamp posts, culverts, trees etc are not designed/placed scientifically. Most of our roads have no restriction barriers, no runoff areas, no protections for high speed travel. Yet we continue to pay obnoxious tolls just to ensure a smooth double laned journey. We must ensure we get NCAP equivalent crash protection law, but that's not enough. Until we redesign our roads, and ensure idiotically designed trucks/buses/carts are not off the roads, the accident and death statistics will remain as it is, even if we all drive the world's safest cars with the highest NCAP ratings. ![]() |
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| ![]() Scorpio not safe is not a new thing. Remember Scorpio pickup couldnt pass launch in USA due to safety failure, even with airbags. Hence the need for Mahindra to have a better product with XUV500. I would be keen to see the results for XUV 500 version from India. Unfortunately, there is none. Airbags in these cars, why are the manufacturers fooling people with airbags when they do nothing to save the people in frontal crash. No point in integrating the airbags, its just to fool people to think that their car is safe. GTO rightly said, 2nd hand cars would be better, cars such as Corolla, Civic and others. But the question, how is their NCAP ratings for Indian version? We know for US version of these cars, the ratings are top notch, but have no idea on the Indian spec version. |
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