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View Poll Results: Do you think that autonomous cars can really help get down the rate of road accidents? | |||
Yes. Autonomous cars can indeed bring down the rate of accidents (Please explain Why) . | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 116 | 67.05% |
No. Autonomous cars cannot help bring down the rate of road-accidents (Please Explain Why). | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 37 | 21.39% |
Can't say (Please explain why). | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 20 | 11.56% |
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Tesla crash happened in exactly the same scenario that you mention when a truck was moving into the lane in which the autonomous car was driving. It can be written off as a one off case but the point being there still is a chance of it happening. Probably it would get ironed out in the future but I would still say that no matter how top notch the software is, if there is no discipline by other road users, it may not be able to help much. | |
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Senior - BHPian | ![]() I voted "Yes". Scenario 1: One Autonomous vehicle, in a melee of thousands of Human Driven vehicles, would perhaps have a horrendous time, keeping up with the numerous ways in which humans can (mis)behave. For the Autonomous vehicle to really succeed in this scenario, and especially in a country like India, would require the artificial intelligence to be highly matured and backed with enormous amounts of computing power, since you really wouldn't want the hourglass symbol coming up when a lorry is about to jacknife you and there are kids stranded in front of your vehicle. This is symbolic of situations where humans are usually better and/or resilient, and may continue to be. Scenario 2: A few human driven vehicles, in a melee of thousands of Autonomous vehicles. This is where the majority of nodes, behave as they should, so that the bulk of computing power at your disposal, is available to account for random events induced by the few humans. Here, the autonomous vehicles, with the technology of TODAY, will thrive, and hugely bring down the number of accidents, and this can happen TODAY! So, since the question in the POLL, asked us to consider the potential to avert accidents using this technology, my answer would be YES, and it is possible TODAY. All it needs is to make the substantial majority of vehicles on our roads Autonomous quickly, and the immense benefit will follow. Of course, we wouldn't like it as much, would we? |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Voted for 'can't say' as autonomous cars in India are a long, long time away. A smart BHPian (don't remember who) had posted on another thread that autonomous & human-driven cars cannot co-exist on the road, especially in India with its poor road manners. If the roads have 100% autonomous cars, then perhaps, yes - they will reduce road accidents. But again, it's going to be decades before we see that here. One basic thing that self-driving cars need are lane markers. Even in the commercial capital of India, most roads don't have them. Last edited by GTO : 22nd November 2017 at 11:29. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Having interned at a company at the forefront of developing autonomous driving solutions, I have voted 'yes'. As much as I hate how the future of cars is looking, there is no denying that autonomous driving will decrease time spent in traffic (if all cars can sync up and start as soon as light goes green, instead of waiting for the car ahead to start first, that itself will hugely help traffic situations), will be more reliable (manufacturers can get millions of kilometers of data about cars and check for patterns and failure rates more accurately thereby increasing the reliability of cars), and more safe (autonomous cars would not enter a road without looking or be oblivious to lane discipline and right of way rules). To all those working in the IT sector, let me remind you that autonomous driving has still not yet been fully achieved. Level 5 autonomous driving is not even being tested out right now. There are industry wide standards being set to prevent any danger in case of failure or malfunction of components. Some of the rules dictated by the autosar standard which manufacturers have to abide by, dictate that each component would require its own sensor to monitor its functions and that backloops are created for every task in the case of critical failure. Apart from the worry of hacking, this is no joke and things are being taken very seriously. Last edited by IshaanIan : 22nd November 2017 at 11:44. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Voted for No. The endless combinations of situations which lead to accidents and incidents on the road simply make it impossible to code all the (avoiding) intelligence into the controlling software. Maybe in a country with totally predictable vehicular/driver behaviour and where infrastructure can be taken for granted, the accidents can be decreased by self-driven cars where human error can be overcome. In our country we are not only plagued with too many variables - rogue drivers/riders with no lane discipline, rage-filled cabbies, helmetless moped riders, tractors and rickshaw wallas, we also have to deal with cattle, livestock and dogs jumping across the expressway dividers at any point, unmarked gigantic speedbreakers and barricades, dividers appearing abruptly, massive potholes and the list goes on. I would rather bet on experienced human intervention in stopping/slowing a vehicle than letting some computer algorithm flip my car over (in a pre-coded panic move) for every silly reason like a sheep jumping across the car ![]() Last edited by KarthikK : 22nd November 2017 at 11:50. |
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| ![]() In a perfect world, yes. In the realistic world, no. Not yet. In developed countries, may be. In India, there won't be autonomous cars in the foreseeable future. There are so many unknown variables in driving that we take for granted because of human intelligence: we "notice" things, we learn from experiences, have intuitions. I wonder if AI is developed on the mass scale such that it can replicate the human brain. Let's take the example of airplanes: it was only after significant accidents that resulted in tremendous loss of life that the world learnt lessons that we take for granted today. For eg. TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) developement was rushed following a mid-air plane collision over the Grand Canyon. Solutions to problems are found typically only when the existence of problems is realized. All said and done, I'd imagine the learning curve to be really steep. A friend has traveled in a self-driving Uber quite a few times already in Arizona. |
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| ![]() If the cars are automated, they can be hacked and if they can be hacked, we have many nut cracks roaming around who wish to kill people. I am all for automation but something here makes me uncomfortable. Call me old school but I am not liking all this advancement in terms of technology. In this race no matter which organization wins, the ultimate looser will be humanity. I just got google home mini as a gift, and I found myself talking to it when alone at home. Once I was done talking, I could not wrap my head around it. I was talking to a device programmed to talk by humans. Done with the rant, gotta go, my google home is waiting for my reply. |
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A self-driving car would be the likes of those being tested by Waymo, which claims to recognize even hand signals from cyclists. The fact that these are still being tested means that they are not yet ready to be released to the market. So I agree that the self-driving systems remain to be further improved, thoroughly tested and proven. As a side note, from the Tesla crash report: Quote:
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() I voted yes, primarily due to response times and field of view. A car with sensors will be able to detect what could be in the driver's blind spot. Just for example, the dashcam on my car has a wider angle of view than what I can see at a given moment - such cameras/radars would cover these blindspots at all given times! Secondly, the response time would be quicker and it would leave more margin for error than a human driver - look at adaptive cruise control technology - a boon on the highways when the car in front reduces it's speed, and Volvo's city safe as an example which auto brakes when it feels it is close to a collision. I got rear ended once on the highway because I slowed down to a halt when the car in front of me did (traffic), but the car following me was slow to realise it and didn't maintain an adequate distance and crashed into my bumper. With autonomous cars, the vehicle behind would have maintained a safe distance and there would be no room for driver error, and with proper radars - it would notice the chap trying to cut in before an average driver probably could. But at the same time, I would say the technology needs another few years to be fully developed and reliable given the chaos that is our roads. |
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| ![]() Voted "Can't say" Here's what I feel! The developed nations possibly have an edge when compared to the developing ones. Is that edge sustainable? A very difficult proposition!
Related Link: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intern...ml#post4171684 Thanks, C_ |
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| ![]() Why different systems? The difference within the system itself will create chaos. Handling interference of signals and prioritizing them in real time is not as easy as it is perceived. Having an engine start-stop button is a great feature, restricting it to top variants makes the car luxury but using fingers to switch it ON is still the fundamental reality. |
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Since each of them have a mind of their own, the programs on the autonomous car would be lost in this crowd. | |
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