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Old 14th July 2018, 21:49   #1
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A profoundly unsettling experience today.

We came back from a trip and parked the car in our driveway. My wife, my son and I got out of the car. My daughter, however, was playing with a toy and did not exit the car immediately.

Meanwhile, my son, who was playing with the key, locked the car. For a minute or so, we did not realise that our nine-year-old daughter was still inside the car. She tried to open the doors, press the door unlock button and even sound the horn. Nothing worked. The car was totally dead and unresponsive.

Fortunately, we found she was not at the front door of the house when we were trying to open it. I immediately unlocked the car and my daughter came out - completely shaken and crying.

This is purely my fault I agree. But I was surprised that she couldn't get out of the car even if it is locked from the outside. To test, I entered the car; closed the doors and asked my wife to lock it. She did. Then I tried to get out of the car and I couldn't.

1. Doors were locked. Couldn't open them.
2. Door unlock buttons on both doors were unresponsive.
3. Boot open button did not work.
4. Horn did not work.

In other words, there was no way I could get out of the car. This realisation was completely unsettling. God forbid, what would have happened if it was my daughter in that situation without anyone knowing she was in the car?

The car in question is an Audi A6 Estate model (2018 version). I still can't come to terms with this finding. Am I missing something basic and really simple here? Can't believe there is no way a person *inside* the car can get out if the car is centrally locked.
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Horn does not work if the ignition is off, but I thought all VAG cars could be unlocked from inside unless child lock is enabled. Scary indeed.

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I wonder if all Volkswagen cars have this bug (or feature):
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...nside-car.html
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Old 15th July 2018, 00:56   #4
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I wonder if all Volkswagen cars have this bug (or feature):
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...nside-car.html
Thanks for this link. I could have posted my story there itself instead of opening my own new thread.

I will try to open the boot manually from inside.
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I think your car like most other VAG cars, has a deadlock. So when you lock it normally, none of this works on the inside. But if you press the lock button twice, then the inside handles work. Lets see if this works.
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I think your car like most other VAG cars, has a deadlock. So when you lock it normally, none of this works on the inside. But if you press the lock button twice, then the inside handles work. Lets see if this works.
Tried it just now. No luck. I even tried to activate the emergency boot release but unfortunately, even that didn't work. Maybe because the boot door is powered?

So, in essence, this is like a prison. You shove somebody into the car and simply lock it. They can't get out without breaking the window panes!

Scary - What if the electronics malfunction and the car doesn't let us get out? There has to be an emergency hatch to open the doors from inside. Otherwise, it is a serious safety issue.
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Thats very unsettling.

In instances like Mumbai flood people have lost their lives because the electronics shorted and they could not get out. Here, as you say, car becomes a prison.

Outside to inside protection is the need but inside to out should never be blocked.
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As far as I remember VAG cars especially in the Skoda Octavia , the windows and the windshield is very strong bordering on the unbreakable territory. A friend of mine had shared his experience of how he had locked himself in the car.

It is scary indeed , no doubt protection and build quality is an important USP of these cars but it should never lead to a scenario as to where one's prized possession turns into a prison.
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Is it possible that the child lock was on, because of which you couldnt come out? In Skoda, the car can be locked from ourside or inside. However, it can be opened by someone from inside, unless the child lock is on. Suggest you take it up with Audi and see if there is a manual overide or this can be disabled through firmware update.

It is a scary thought. What if it was a pet who can't even bang on the windows.
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I don't think so.

AFAIK no car has child lock on driver door. Plus mostly it's a mechanical disengagement that prevents opening from inside.
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Smartcat & Akshay1234 got it spot on. This is 'deadlock' - a feature present in all VAG cars. My brother's Jetta gives out a 'check deadlock' warning on the MID every time you switch off the engine.

To avoid 'deadlock', you have to press the lock button twice while locking the car.

Really stupid feature though. VW should abandon it.
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There is some kind of a regulation in some European nation that requires this as an anti theft feature. Even some variants of our models exported to Europe have this kind of a door lock. & I've been pretty scared of such a thing happening to my family. So I just keep a small hammer in the driver door pocket.
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Smartcat & Akshay1234 got it spot on. This is 'deadlock' - a feature present in all VAG cars. My brother's Jetta gives out a 'check deadlock' warning on the MID every time you switch off the engine.

To avoid 'deadlock', you have to press the lock button twice while locking the car.

Really stupid feature though. VW should abandon it.
One correction, VW cars call it the SAFELOCK mechanism. It even appears on the MID post locking. It works exactly like the deadlock mechanism that the OP mentioned, but is named differently.

Here are the steps to enable or disable it:

- Pressing the lock button on the key fob once will activate the safelock function. The interior door handles will not function in this condition

- Pressing the lock button twice in succession should deactivate the mechanism and render the door handles usable

It is truly a stupid feature though. Can do more harm than good in most situations.

I will try this on my Jetta and get back possibly with a video.

Regards,
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This feature is so dumb that they should have called it DUMBLOCK. Even if EU regulations demand it, shouldn't this feature be activated as a choice and not be default? Pressing the key fob twice should activate it and not vice versa. Looks like some EU politician left his brain at home on the day they wrote these regulations!!!
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On the contrary, I did the same test on my 2014 Jetta with my son inside, every time when I locked the car, he was able to open all the doors from inside. This was repeated with Pressing the lock button on the key fob once, twice and thrice in succession, and each time he was able to open the door from inside, where as from outside the door was always locked.

So I don't see this risk in my Jetta HL 2014.
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