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29th January 2020, 10:57 | #61 | |
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| Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra Quote:
Oh boy yes they won't (at least as much), classic example S-cross vs Creta (979 vs 6713, Dec 2019) both belonging to same class and similarly priced. S-cross being one of the better built car from Maruti and coming with other bells and whistles of a typical Maruti, should be selling more. Maruti has trapped itself in their own box of making cheaper car (read cost and maintenance) from which they don't want to come outside. And why would they, the box takes up 50% on the table. please don't start Creta vs S-cross debate, I've taken similarly priced vehicle in same class as an example. Both the vehicles have their positive and negatives and both are loved by respective owners. Also, does S-cross have 5 star rating for safety? if yes isn't it India's first 5 star rated car ahead of Nexon? please enlighten me on this. | |
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30th January 2020, 20:34 | #62 |
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| Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra On Team Bhp digest the question posed was: can Maruti bulid 5 star cars? They can, but they wouldn't. 1. Public demand is "kitne deti hai?" 2. Maruti motto is to milk that sentiment to the fullest. 3. There is no government mandate for safer cars. |
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| Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra https://www.rushlane.com/maruti-will...-12353531.html We don't care for ncap! We will continue to buy tin cans in the millions! |
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16th February 2020, 15:05 | #64 |
BHPian | Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra Here is the response from Maruti Suzuki which sells ~1 lakh+ cars per month: Maruti Suzuki will not send its cars for Global NCAP crash tests. I admire Tata and Mahindra for caring for the safety of their owners. And setting a trend that Maruti cannot follow. The statement clearly implies - Maruti is forced to comply with India's safety regulations, i.e. Driver Airbag, ABS, EBD, reverse parking sensors, Speed limit warnings, front seat belt reminders. In other words, they wouldn't have provided even these if govt had not mandated. However, when BNVSAP (Indianized NCAP like crash test facility) comes to force (God knows when), they have agreed to comply. So generous I must say. This is the amount of care Maruti has about its customers' safety. So fitting to be an industry leader by a large margin. |
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16th February 2020, 16:01 | #65 | ||
BHPian | Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra Quote: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...ml#post4750910 (Rumour: Maruti won't send cars to Global NCAP for crash tests) Quote:
Talking about sending cars to GNCAP, you've to realize that GNCAP can always purchase a car and test it out. Maruti cannot prevent GNCAP from testing their cars. Although it is certainly commendable if they did voluntarily send it. And if Tata/Mahindra are so much into GNCAP results, how come their flagship products remain as unrated? Namely Hexa, Harrier and XUV500. Are they not confident that they'll get 4/5 stars? I refrained from commenting when this topic popped up in the Harrier/Gravitas thread as I was expecting Tata to announce the ratings when they launched Harrier Auto, just like they did with Altroz and Tiago facelift. But that time came and went. Honestly, I'm still hopeful that they will announce it when they launch Gravitas and am willing to give them the benefit of doubt, just because of their record so far. So while GNCAP urging other OEMs to follow the example of Tata/Mahindra have to be seen in a good light, I believe the said manufacturers themselves have a bit more to do when it comes to leading by example. Last edited by Keeleri_Achu : 16th February 2020 at 16:03. | ||
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16th February 2020, 22:27 | #66 | ||||
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Once they got this shameful report, Mahindra developed XUV300, Tata built Nexon and Altroz and achieved highest score and a 5 star rating (XUV300 even scored better than Nexon). Kia's first launch was a 5 star car. What did Maruti do? Quote:
Going by the market share, which brand sells more than half of the cars sold in India? And if that brand has only one 4 star rated car and all others are either 3 star or 0 star or no star (not suitable for testing). What does it tell you about that OEM's concern on safety? Who should be working more towards maximum safety - Maruti or all others who are fighting for the remaining 50% market share? In an ideal world, everyone must, but since all of that cannot happen at once, let us discuss the priority here. As I said earlier, every OEM needs to constantly work towards maximum safety and even innovate further. No exceptions here. But when it comes to leading by example, if the largest brand by sales implements safety, it will reduce the deaths/injuries drastically. So that brand must lead by example. | ||||
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17th February 2020, 00:50 | #67 | ||||||
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Sir, let me just sum up my points. Tata and Mahindra are clearly working on improving their safety. No question. But so is Maruti and every other manufacturer in the country. The cars that we have on our roads are definitely safer than the ones we had on our roads 5 or 10 years ago. Every single one of them. Whilst the number of 5 star rated cars would only go up in the future, it is unrealistic to expect that to happen in a span of few years. While I wouldn't say to cut the said manufacturers a slack, I would strongly refrain from attacking them based on rumors. I have no doubt that the government policy about a lot of things be it safety, emission or anything else, are only going to get stricter over time. And any player who wants a piece in this market, no matter how big or small, will have to play by those rules. While I could see certain comments comparing Maruti to Nokia and expecting them to go where the dinosaurs went, last I checked, Moore's law doesn't apply in automobile industry and the automobiles, last I checked, handily outlive any cell phone or gadget. And if the market share of Maruti starts to fall, which it will, I'm certain they'll charge at every other player with all they have got, exactly like their CEO said in a recent interview. Last edited by Keeleri_Achu : 17th February 2020 at 01:00. | ||||||
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17th February 2020, 09:34 | #68 | ||||||||||
BHPian | Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra Quote:
India spec Baleno was never tested by NCAP. Swift with standard airbags and ABS was never re-tested by NCAP. And these 2 cars are the top-selling cars across all categories. Doesn't that bother you? Quote:
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And who is stopping Maruti from developing brand new cars/new platforms with top safety built into it from the day one? I too share my optimism about Maruti launching safer cars in the future, but they will be the last one to do it. I'm saying it seeing the record of their past and their persistent reluctance to send their cars for the crash test. Quote:
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The average customer believes safety must be inbuilt into any car. They cannot rationalize the fact that they have to pay extra to buy a safer car with the same features. So, safety must be in-built to the car as much as the engine and the chassis are in-built to the car. Any average Joe who knows consumer psychology understands this, so carmakers also know it. It is just that it reduces their profit and no carmaker likes that. Quote:
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Doesn't that make all the manufacturers equally guilty? Do I wish every single one of them were tested? Absolutely Yes. Tata sells 5 products of which 3 have been tested by GNCAP. So far the best On sale/Tested ratio. Mahindra currently sells 12 products (Combining TUV,TUV+, Verito,Vibe etc) in India, according to their website. Just two of them hold a valid GNCAP rating. XUV300 and Marazzo. Maruti sells 9 Arena products, 4 of which holds a rating (Not counting the ones which were tested before the mandatory airbag/abs implementation). There are 5 Nexa produts of which only one have a rating at present. Not counting the XL6. Hyundai have 10 cars on sale of which just 2 holds a rating. I can go on about other manufacturers. But it is just going to be pointless. When it comes to voluntarily sending cars to GNCAP, no manufacturer can be considered to be perfect. The problem is that unlike other NCAPs which are mandated by respective countries, GNCAP is a charity organization whose validation doesn't make a difference ON PAPER. You can sell a vehicle in India with or without a GNCAP rating, unlike Euro NCAP or Australian NCAP. Until the very very late BNVSAP rating comes into force with relatively stringent standards, I don't think things will change. True, Tata is working closely with them off late. But they are also amongst the ones with the smallest number of products on sale which makes their job relatively easy. Quote:
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| Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra I know most will be angry at my statement, but, it is true that what we get is basically what we deserve. I know that many BHPians consider safety among most important factors when considering/speaking about car. But there is mass market out there that thinks differently. What I always say when it comes to safety in Indian cars is, we Indians move from 2-wheeler to 4-wheeler; and hence most would think, "Now I have got walls around me. How much more safer can it get?" Even my current car is from Maruti, with 0 air-bags! I have come from Yamaha FZ-16 to Maruti Wagon-R. How much more safe could it have gotten for me? |
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17th February 2020, 16:28 | #71 | ||
BHPian | Re: Global NCAP urges other OEMs to follow the example set by Tata & Mahindra Quote:
All manufacturers producing un-safe cars are guilty, but not equally - the largest sellers are more guilty. Maruti and Hyundai. Simply by the number of un-safe cars they sell, we can know how many consumers are putting their lives at risk. Sorry to say it crudely: More people are hurt/killed in a Maruti than others. The second is Hyundai. Similarly, all other manufacturers are as guilty in the order of their market share. Quote:
I differ on the proportion, the manufacturer selling more cars in this market is more guilty. | ||
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30th November 2020, 20:46 | #73 |
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