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Old 30th June 2021, 20:51   #16
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Re: Global NCAP crash tests to get a lot tougher

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While this is all well and good, unless more manufacturers other than Tata and M & M send in their vehicles volutarily, this is all for nought.
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And moreover it is due to this NPO that the idea of safety itself is being widely discussed along with Indian OEMs.
"unless more manufacturers other than Tata and M & M send in their vehicles volutarily, this is all for nought" appears to be a bit of a Proselytism, if you may please get the drift.

Those are Short Term benefits.

GNCAP is not the Almighty Benign Saviour that is here to save the hapless fellow countrymen from their Unsafe Vehicles. No NGO or Non-Govt organisation should step in - yes there is a vaccum, it needs to be fillled right now - but only by the Govt.

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Old 30th June 2021, 20:57   #17
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"all for nought" appears to be a bit of a Proselytism, if you may please get the drift.
Didn't understand what you meant, a google search didn't help either. Anyways the nought I was referring to was simply 'If there are no cars to test, the advanced protocols of testing are useless'.

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GNCAP is not the Almighty Benign Saviour that is here to save the hapless fellow countrymen from their Unsafe vehicles, unless we all bow down to its deep knowledge and standards.
And I agree with you! What I feel otherwise is, credit must be given where it's due and in the short term, it has definitely helped getting atleast some folk talking about safety.

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Those are Short Term benefits.

GNCAP is not the Almighty Benign Saviour that is here to save the hapless fellow countrymen from their Unsafe Vehicles. No NGO or Non-Govt organisation should step in - yes there is a vaccum, it needs to be fillled right now - but only by the Govt.
On one hand you acknowledge that there have been short term benefits but are sceptical that there is a hidden agenda behind the initiative in the long run. Is this based on some facts from other regions or cases? I am genuinely interested to know.

As you might be aware, India accounts for 150k road fatalities every year which translates to 11% of the total road fatalities in the world with just 1% of the vehicle population (source: World Bank 2019 report). We need to do a lot to bring this down and safer vehicles is one of the key pillars.

The argument that it should be left to the government is a very auto lobby like thing to say. In fact I agree with you that it should be left to the government but what's the harm in speeding it up? The economic cost of road accident fatalities to the nation is huge (70% of road fatalities are people between the ages of 18-49) and the annual GDP impact is estimated at ~3%.
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The only question is - who is going to pay for these?

AFAIK, the organization is currently funded by the UN and not any particular country. I think the current test serves it's purpose - exposing vehicles which are sub-par in safety and creating some awareness.
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GNCAP is not the Almighty Benign Saviour that is here to save the hapless fellow countrymen from their Unsafe Vehicles.
100% agree. As responsible citizens, we must educate our friends & relatives to buying safer cars/demanding for safety. Once there's a market big enough, the auto makers will sell cars with safety features.
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As you might be aware, India accounts for 150k road fatalities every year which translates to 11% of the total road fatalities in the world with just 1% of the vehicle population (source: World Bank 2019 report).
Not to play devil's advocate, but just curious:
1. How many people among these 150k are on 2/3 wheelers?
2. How many of them were pedestrians?
3. How many are in the light commercial vehicles like the Tata ace?
4. Is vehicle defined as something with >2 axles & >4 wheels?
5. How many deaths were due to collision with livestock/wild animal?

No disputing that we need safer vehicles - but we also need better driver training and infrastructure.

The latter is going to bring down the death toll more than just NCAP alone.

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Not to play devil's advocate, but just curious:
1. How many people among these 150k are on 2/3 wheelers?
2. How many of them were pedestrians?
3. How many are in the light commercial vehicles like the Tata ace?
4. Is vehicle defined as something with >2 axles & >4 wheels?
5. How many deaths were due to collision with livestock/wild animal?

No disputing that we need safer vehicles - but we also need better driver training and infrastructure.

The latter is going to bring down the death toll more than just NCAP alone.
Very valid questions. You might be interested in reading the whole report - LINK(World Bank) & LINK (MoRTH report)

Some key statistics:
  • 2 Wheeler: 37%
  • Pedestrians: 17%
  • Light vehicles: 16%
  • National State Highways which account for about 5% of the total road length accounts for a disproportionately large share of accident related deaths of 61%.
  • Two wheelers account for 35% of total road accident deaths on National Highways falling under NHAI, followed by cars, taxis, Vans & LMVs (18.6%) and pedestrians(14%) followed by share of Trucks of (10.7%) and share of buses of (4.9%) and share of bicycles at (2.9%)
There are totally 5 pillars on which the government is working on:
  1. Road safety management
  2. Safer roads and mobility
  3. Safer vehicles
  4. Safer road users
  5. Post-crash response
I see GNCAP has played a key role in safer vehicles and creating more awareness and hence a few more safer road users. Light vehicles are a significant contributor to this huge problem and with 61% fatalities happening on the highways, safer cars are all the more important.

I'm trying to see the negative side of this whole initiative or GNCAP's 'ulterior' motive which is not clear to me as of now. The only thing that comes to mind is that it could be an initiative to promote European brands but even that is quite a wild guess considering the Indian OEM's have leveraged this the most.

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Global NCAP test protocol to include ESC, active safety tech.

Under its ‘Safer Cars for India’ campaign, GNCAP will add ESC to its test protocols in 2022, with a complete revision of the safety rating system, and inclusion of active safety tech, planned by 2026.

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Vehicles will need ESC to score high ratings from 2022. Separate star ratings for adult and child safety to be replaced by a single rating by 2026. More active safety tech will be added to testing protocols in the next 4-5 years.



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The assessment protocols for 2022 have been published on the GNCAP site. From July 2022 onwards, ESC will be required to score 4 star and above. Link

The government had indicated a timeline to make ESC mandatory by 2022/23 but with no further news on that, this will be a good push to bring this life saving tech. to more cars.
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