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Old 10th December 2021, 19:55   #1
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Latin NCAP 2021: Peugeot 208, Hyundai Tucson

The New Car Assessment Programme for Latin America and the Caribbean (Latin NCAP) has released the fourth publication of results for two models for the Latin American market under its twelfth phase (2021) of results.

The news follows after Latin NCAP's parent organisation Global NCAP yesterday revealed new crash test results for the Mazda 2 and India-made Nissan Almera (Sunny) for its Safer Cars for Africa campaign, and Euro NCAP revealed twelve new results a day before that. Latin NCAP published results for the Volkswagen Taos and the Fiat Argo/Cronos just last week.

The results are not valid for any other market than Latin America and the Caribbean.

The following models have been tested:
  1. Peugeot 208
  2. old Hyundai Tucson*

*production stopped but unsold stock still available at dealers, Latin NCAP informed by dealer at time of purchase in early 2021 that the new generation was 'at least two years away'. Result delayed due to non-availability of replacement bumper/headlight parts (after the pedestrian impactor tests) from the manufacturer for seven months, since the vehicle was purchased anonymously like a regular consumer.

Presentation of results:


1. Peugeot 208
This model scored an overall 2 star rating.



Testers' comments:
Adult Occupant Protection (52%):
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Frontal impact: The protection offered to the driver and passenger head and neck was good. Driver chest showed marginal protection and passenger chest showed adequate protection. Driver knees showed adequate protection as they can impact with dangerous structures in the steering column, passenger’s knees showed good protection. Driver and passenger’s tibias showed adequate protection. Footwell area was rated as unstable. The bodyshell was rated as unstable and it is not capable of withstanding further loadings. Side impact: Head, chest, abdomen and pelvis protection was good. Side Pole Impact: was not performed as the car does not offer side head protection as standard. Whiplash: the seat showed good protection to the adult neck. UN R32: the car meets the rear impact structure requirements. AEB City: the car offers optional AEB city but does not meet minimum requirements to score points. AEB points could not be considered, fitment rates also need to be matched. Rescue sheet: met Latin NCAP requirements.
Child Occupant Protection (55%):
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The child seat for the 3-year-old child was not able to prevent excessive forward movement during the impact as the rear seat backrest unlatched during the frontal impact. As the manufacturer brought improvements the car was retested without the rear backrest unlatching during the test. Head was exposed in the case of rear backrest unlatched and protected when rear seat backrest did not unlatch. Side impact protection was good. The dynamic performance of the 18 months child restraint systems was good for frontal and side impact protection. Both CRSs were installed using the ISOFIX anchorages, with Top Tether for the 3 years old CRS and support leg for the 18months old. The car offers 3-point belts in all seating positions as standard in all versions. It was not possible to disconnect the passenger airbag in case a rearward facing CRS will be installed in this position. I-size conditions were not met by this car. The CRS installation pass for some CRS assessed only.
Vulnerable Road User Protection (54%):
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The car does not prove to meet pedestrian protection UN regulations. The car showed majority of areas average (marginal)/ adequate protection levels. Upper leg performance showed less protection than the same model in Europe. AEB VRU: AEB VRU was not assessed as the preconditions for AEB scoring are not met.
Safety Assist (56%):
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The car offers ESC as standard. The moose test performance reached a maximum of 85 km/h under ADAC Moose test and 75 km/h under Consumer magazine Moose test. SBR: The car does not offer rear SBR. SA: the car offers a speed limitation device. BSD: The car does not offer BSD. LSS and RED: the car offers an optional LSS system but not RED, however due to preconditions required these cannot be considered for scoring. AEB Interurban: the car offers an optional AEB system, however due to preconditions required it cannot be considered for scoring. Minimum fitment rate must also match requirements.

2. Hyundai Tucson (previous generation)
This model scored an overall zero star rating.



Testers' comments:
Adult Occupant Protection (51%):
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Frontal impact: The protection offered to the driver and passenger head and neck was good. Driver’s chest showed adequate protection and passenger’s chest showed good protection. Driver’s knees showed marginal protection as they can impact with dangerous structures behind the fascia while passenger’s knees showed good protection. Driver’s and passenger’s tibias showed good protection. Footwell area was rated as stable. The bodyshell was rated as stable and it is capable of withstanding further loadings. Side impact: Head, abdomen and pelvis protection was good while chest protection was adequate. Side Pole Impact: was not performed as the car does not offer side head protection as standard. Whiplash: the protection to the neck was good. UN R32: The car meets the rear impact structure requirements. AEB City: the car does not offer optional AEB city following Latin NCAP fitment rate. Rescue sheet content is ok but availability is not meeting Latin NCAP requirements.
Child Occupant Protection (4%):
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The child seat for the 3-year-old child was installed rearward facing using ISOFIX anchorages and support leg. It was capable of preventing head exposure and offered good protection. Side Impact: the CRS offered full protection. The Q1.5 was installed rearward facing using the ISOFIX and support leg, the CRS prevented the head exposure offering full protection. Side Impact: the CRS offered full protection. The manufacturer refused to recommend CRS which leads to zero points in dynamic test. Most of the CRSs tested for installation failed. The car offers central lap belt as standard which leads to zero points in vehicle-based assessment. Despite having standard ISOFIX anchorages in rear outboard positions marking was not according to Latin NCAP criteria. Airbag warning when a rearward CRS is installed in the passenger seat was meeting Latin NCAP requirements. Passenger airbag could not be disconnected in the case that a rearward facing CRS is installed in the front passenger seat.
Vulnerable Road User Protection (50%):
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The car meets pedestrian protection UN regulations. The car showed poor protection to pedestrians in the upper leg, good for the lower leg and moderate head protection. AEB VRU: not available according to fitment requirements.
Safety Assist (7%):
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ESC: The car does not offer ESC as standard. SBR: the car offers front driver SBR only. SA: the car does not offer a speed limitation device. BSD: The car does not offer BSD as standard. LSS and RED: the car does not offer these technologies. AEB Interurban: The car does not have AEB inter urban.
Alejandro Furas, Secretary General of Latin NCAP said:
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“It is surprising that a relevant global platform like the 208 is removing such an important standard safety equipment from its original version like the side head protection airbags. Latin NCAP calls on Peugeot to update the equipment of the model to offer them as standard. This should be done as soon as possible with the updated version made available to put to the test.

Latin NCAP is again disappointed by Hyundai’s attitude to Latin American consumers’ health and safety. It is unbelievable that an SUV like the Tucson does not offer side impact protection and ESC as standard. The long delay in replacement parts delivery is also concerning. We make an urgent call to Hyundai for a dramatic change in basic safety strategy in LAC and level it to its policy in Europe, Australia and US, among others. Latin NCAP believes that consumer information known as labelling can dramatically and quickly improve the safety level of cars as a result of a voluntary action.”
Stephan Brodziak, Latin NCAP Chairman said:
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“Once again, thanks to the Latin NCAP Programme, we can know the risks that certain corporations, mostly Latin Americans, expose us to due to the sale of low safety vehicles. We regret the de-specification that Peugeot makes on its 208 model in removing the head airbags for the Latin American markets. Hyundai gives us an unpleasant surprise to see that one of its most popular models in the region, the Hyundai Tucson, which has had significant sales in our countries, gets 0 stars safety. This is one more example of the discrimination in vehicle safety that the inhabitants of the region have to suffer from some car manufacturers that use our region as a sub-standard market to maximize their profits. We demand that both Peugeot and Hyundai urgently implement the necessary safety standards to offer adequate protection to consumers and road users on all their models. Latin America and the Caribbean not only deserve better vehicle safety, they need it now.”
There will be yet another publication of Latin NCAP results in a few days.

View the full press release here.

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Old 10th December 2021, 21:39   #2
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Re: Latin NCAP 2021: Peugeot 208, Hyundai Tucson

Shocked to see the Hyundai Tucson score 0 stars?!

Atleast India gets side impact protection and ESP as standard.

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Re: Latin NCAP 2021: Peugeot 208, Hyundai Tucson

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Shocked to see the Hyundai Tucson score 0 stars?!
Well, the protocol used is far more advanced than the one we're used to in India. It's actually quite similar to early to mid-2010s Euro NCAP protocol but with a lot of modifications specifically for Latin America.

The Tucson suffered mainly in two areas:
  • No standard ESC, meaning the only safety assist tech that could score was the seatbelt reminder, hence 7%.
  • Hyundai refused to make CRS recommendations for the test. The child occupant protection score is always for the combination of the car and recommended child restraints in their recommended installation configurations, so if the manufacturer refuses to recommend a CRS the dynamic-test score is a zero. Similar occurrence in the Hyundai Grand i10 Nios in India in late 2020. In case of the new Latin NCAP protocol the star rating is limited by the maximum eligible star rating of the worst performing box.
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Atleast India gets side impact protection and ESP as standard.
Well, that's just one of the many reasons this result means nothing for India.

Noteworthy that the Latin market Tucson performed reasonably well on the MDB side impact with 7.86 out of 8 despite a lack of torso airbags.

Without head protection (curtain airbags) it is not possible to conduct a pole test, so the Tucson scored no points for that, limiting adult protection score to 51%.

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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

Surprisingly Tuscon 2021 scores zero in Latin NCAP



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Re: Latin NCAP 2021: Peugeot 208, Hyundai Tucson

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Well, the protocol used is far more advanced than the one we're used to in India. It's actually quite similar to early to mid-2010s Euro NCAP protocol but with a lot of modifications specifically for Latin America.

The Tucson suffered mainly in two areas:
  • No standard ESC, meaning the only safety assist tech that could score was the seatbelt reminder, hence 7%.
  • Hyundai refused to make CRS recommendations for the test. The child occupant protection score is always for the combination of the car and recommended child restraints in their recommended installation configurations, so if the manufacturer refuses to recommend a CRS the dynamic-test score is a zero. Similar occurrence in the Hyundai Grand i10 Nios in India in late 2020. In case of the new Latin NCAP protocol the star rating is limited by the maximum eligible star rating of the worst performing box.

Well, that's just one of the many reasons this result means nothing for India.

Noteworthy that the Latin market Tucson performed reasonably well on the MDB side impact with 7.86 out of 8 despite a lack of torso airbags.

Without head protection (curtain airbags) it is not possible to conduct a pole test, so the Tucson scored no points for that, limiting adult protection score to 51%.
In India Tucson does offer ESP and 6Airbags as standard and thank God this doesn't imply anything for Indian Tucson, also the fact that I noted was Latin NCAP mentioned that the chases and body shell integrity were mentioned to be stable and capable of withstanding further loadings which implies that upon adding airbags and equipment safety rating can be increased, the media especially YouTubers make unnecessary posts without stating the complete facts just to create noise and unnecessary bashings for Hyundai and say as if the car got badly mangled like a Maruti S-Presso , at one point of time I was shocked to know a car which scored 5stars in Euro NCAP, Australian NCAP and even NHTSA managed to get nil in Latin NCAP, after reading the full facts and figures the picture. Thank you!

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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

Isn't the Tuscon which is going to be phased out, and there's a newer one already? The one which got 5 star awarded by Euro NCAP?
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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

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Isn't the Tucson which is going to be phased out, and there's a newer one already? The one which got 5 star awarded by Euro NCAP?
Yes, Latin NCAP purchased the car from a dealer in early 2021 and multiple dealers in Latin America allegedly told them that the next generation was 'at least two years away' (which turned out to be untrue). Production has now stopped in Latin America but there is still unsold dealer stock and the rating will be available for used car buyers in the future. Details in this presentation at 00:06:31:
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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

Makes one wonder about applicability of extending international ratings across markets.
There’s no way that the average buyer can figure out what changes have been made to the domestic variant compared to international variants.
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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

This rating hold nothing for Indian market. This specific model lacks 6Airbags and crucial safety features like Electric Stability Control which alone makes any car zero star rated by Latin NCAP according to their latest protocol. What’s the point to note that this car even though lacked any kind of torso protection for occupants but still managed to get pretty decent ratings, also the body shell integrity was rated stable and capable of carrying further loadings. YouTubers post videos and hatred comments without posting the full information is what intrigued me the most.
PS- The same car(3rd gen Tucson) with all safety features got a perfect 5stars in Euro NCAP, Australian NCAP and even NHTSA. It was also included in IIHS Top Safety Pick 2016
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PS- The same car(3rd gen Tucson) with all safety features got a perfect 5stars in Euro NCAP, Australian NCAP and even NHTSA. It was also included in IIHS Top Safety Pick 2016
Neither does the Latin NCAP rating apply to India, nor do the ones you have mentioned.

You cannot use ratings from other markets, good or bad.

The Indian car, as it stands, has not been independently tested. We have no idea how it would perform if tested in India even with side and curtain airbags and ESC, and it is best not to make any assumptions.

A crash test rating is always specific to the market for which it is valid.

Basically, this rating is as relevant to India as the Peugeot 208's rating. It's international news and nothing more.

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This rating hold nothing for Indian market. This specific model lacks 6Airbags and crucial safety features like Electric Stability Control which alone makes any car zero star rated by Latin NCAP according to their latest protocol.
Makes me question NCAPs in general, if the protocol's definition keeps changing every now and then and only a certain, very small number of cars are tested every year and the scores are not comparable to the previous scores tested just an year or two ago then what is the point at all?

Compare this with genuinely useful star based systems like maybe the power consumption rating on appliances, while this too changes but not as quickly and as vaguely as the NCAPs and lets say you are buying an AC, you can compare the rating among models and choose for yourself if you feel it is better to spend more on more efficient 5 star rated AC or get a 3 star one at much lower cost.

Also the cars which are genuinely unsafe will score the same zero stars as cars like Tuscon which would be leaps and bounds safer than something like, say, Wagon R.

Then as some member pointed out a few days ago, even a 5 Star lightweight car like say a Tiago (just an example don't remember its exact rating) is not the same as a 5 Star rated heavy car like say a LandCruiser Prado, even if tested by the same agency in the same year because the heavier car obviously would be able to withstand and cause more damage than the lighter one, which is common sense but i never thought of it until someone pointed out the obvious.

It is true one should drive safe at all time but it is not that even your 5 star rated car is invincible at speeds as low as 40-50 KM/h.

The definitions being vague and inconsistent gives a very false sense of security to owners of these cars, for the owners of zero star rated cars if it scares them and causes them to drive carefully and slower, then it's a job well done, is this the point of NCAP then?

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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

@RocketScience I agree completely with you and yes we also don’t know how Indian Tucson would actually perform in a crash test but there is some sort of re-assurance since the car is a CKD and not a locally built like other cars where Hyundai maintains a double standard with us. Also personally speaking, the Tucson does reek of quality and is much better built than lesser Hyundais and I’m pretty much confident that it’s not to a same standard as say an Indian Kia Seltos.

Another point like you mentioned, yes even if we do consider the Tucson as nil star rated car, the YouTubers make such vague posts and comments without paying attention to full information and make people think as if the Tucson is comparable to say a S-Presso and even poorer than a Suzuki Swift.
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Also the cars which are genuinely unsafe will score the same zero stars as cars like Tuscon which would be leaps and bounds safer than something like, say, Wagon R.
That's because you're comparing a zero star Latin NCAP rating with a 2-star adult Global NCAP Safer Cars for India rating. While both programmes are run by Global NCAP, the two use very different evaluation protocol.

Latin NCAP tests a lot more cars than Safer Cars for India every year and gets much more funding, hence can afford to update their evaluation protocol more frequently.

Latin NCAP has now moved to the more modern 4-box system, with different evaluation for adults, children, vulnerable road users and safety assist systems. The overall star rating is generated based on the worst performing box. So, a car could have good adult protection, child protection and VRU protection but lack in the safety assist category, and its rating would be limited by its safety assist score, or similarly with any other box. This system was introduced because Latin NCAP already had a separate star rating system from 2016-19 which had provisions for ESC and side head protection, and this is the next step.

Safer Cars for India meanwhile issues separate star ratings for adult and child protection, and the evaluation protocol is older. The next major update to Safer Cars for India will be in July 2022.

For Safer Cars for India, results have always been generally comparable, from 2014-22 (with very minor differences since 2017 which didn't end up making a difference). From July next year you will no longer be able to compare ratings with older ones, and even from 2022-25 some criteria will get stricter each year (namely fitment rates for side head protection).

I do agree with you in that NCAPs that can't test a lot of cars should ideally not use dynamic protocols because that would mean very few results can be compared (but Latin NCAP has tested ten cars in 2021 despite difficulties). Hopefully, since Safer Cars for India will be relaunched next year as a partnership instead of a project, we might see more testing. Funding for Safer Cars for India was intended to stop in 2020 in the hope that a Bharat New Vehicle Safety Assessment Programme would be set up by then, but since plans for this have stalled, the FIA Foundation and Bloomberg Philantropies have agreed to fund Safer Cars for India for at least a few more years.

For most other NCAPs however, evaluation protocol must frequently be updated to keep pushing manufacturers to try harder, which is why the rating must always be specified along with the test year. Consumers are encouraged to look for the highest and latest rating.

Latin NCAP 2021: Peugeot 208, Hyundai Tucson-volkswagentaos.jpg
Latin NCAP's publication protocols mandate that the test year be specified with the rating in any advertisements

This rating means nothing for India, you cannot compare it with the star ratings currently issued for India and even if India used the same evaluation protocol (which it most definitely does not) you still wouldn't be able to use the rating.
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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

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Surprisingly Tuscon 2021 scores zero in Latin NCAP

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Is it not misleading from Latin NCAP perspective to publish the discontinued generation of Tuscon and publish it as a 2021 test result?

Third gen (2015-2021), the one shown in the video
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Latest one (2021 +)
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Or is it because, the third generation is still being dragged along in some regions?
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Re: 2021 Hyundai Tucson scores 5-stars in Euro NCAP crash tests

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Is it not misleading from Latin NCAP perspective to publish the discontinued generation of Tuscon and publish it as a 2021 test result?
Or is it because, the third generation is still being dragged along in some regions?
I think its clear that it's published as 3rd gen.

https://www.cartoq.com/hyundai-tucso...o-star-rating/

https://www.zigwheels.com/news-featu...ty-test/44151/


I think confusion is year, while 4th gen Tuscon was unveiled in Sept 2020.
They started selling it in sept 2021 in Korea and will be globally available in 2022 including India market. I believe that is yet to be tested on Latin NCAP
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