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Old 21st May 2024, 15:05   #76
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But, I don't hate that guy because he is rich and got bail on a Sunday using his money and influence. I would do the same if I had the resources. I love my family and I am not a hypocrite. It's another matter that I have nowhere near the resources of the family involved.
If you truly loved your family then:
You would have never let your minor son drink.
You would have never allowed him to drive any motor vehicle let alone an unregistered supercar.

I am sure that his parents didn't even knew whether there "beloved" son is in his room or not.

And you are saying they are making mockery of the judicial system because they are a "loving and caring" parent. What a joke.

Where are we heading as a society when can't even teach our kids to distinguish between right and wrong. To become a responsible citizen. To become a good human being.

I bet his his father also did the same in his teens.

So, who to blame? Definitely the parents of the accused. I wish if they had (to put it mildly) confronted their child when he first came home drunk, this would never have happened.
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Old 21st May 2024, 15:30   #77
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On the Taycan crash

1. How did the 17 year old get access to a 2.5 crore car?
2. How did he get alcohol that easily?
3. Blaming other people just because his dad is a bigshot is the most messed up thing I have ever heard this year.
4. I don't give a damn whether his dad is Elon Musk rich or not, he killed 2 innocent people, he deserved length jail time.
5. The father also deserves to be punished for his sons actions.

As a soon to be 17 year old myself, I am horrified by this incident and boiling with anger every time I see a post about the lackluster punishment the accused faced.

These incidents make me worried as a future driver, but I hope to be a good, responsible driver who follows all the rules and be a good person out on the road.
I will try to answer some pointers mentioned above .
1) 2.5 crore or not it doesn't matter to them. The parents half of the time aren't aware about their son's whereabouts. Plus since half of the times the car's keys are with the Chauffeur, they can easily ask them and get the keys
2) Regarding alcohol,let me related an incident. It was 2022, and I had just finished giving my class 10 boards. A group of my friends were planning a party at a particular pub. I asked them how they'll get in ( all 16 years). One of them said they have contacts with owner,and they will even get alcohol if they wish to. From that day itself, I distanced myself from the group 4) If anyone here remembers the incident in Kolkata where a restaurant chain's owner's son killed three Bangladeshi nationals. What happened ? It was proven that the elder son was driving, not the younger onePlus, there's no more information about that case now. People forget, or to say, life goes on.
5) The father will just hire the topmost lawyer, and get out of the mess. Nothing can be done about that.
Personally, many times my driver has asked me to drive our car, since I am 18 years old. I have firmly said" I will touch the steering when I get the licence,not before that".
Amidst all this sad part is, the media will love to jump to another sensational topic, and the justice will keep on getting delayed. The beares of the punishment will be the victims' families, and no one else
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Old 21st May 2024, 15:49   #78
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Whatever happened was really unfortunate. 2 youngsters with so many aspirations both for themselves as well as their family, perished within seconds for no fault of theirs . I know human life cannot be valued with money but the least that the victim's families deserve is a huge compensation whether directed by the court or through out of court settlement. But going by the way this case is proceeding, I doubt if the court will order it, let alone giving them justice. If the kid's father has some humanity left in him, he should definitely compensate them without a second thought.

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Some developments:

> Case transferred to crime branch

> Father arrested / charged for wilful negligence and providing intoxicating substances to a minor

> Both bar owners have been charged for serving liquor to a minor

> Police have filed an application to try the juvenile as an adult in the belief that the crime's gravity warrants harsher judicial scrutiny.

> Action to be taken against the kid under Section 304 of the IPC

Hope all of this isn’t a drama to appease the public and the guilty aren't let loose once the outcry dies down.

Link

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Re: Underage drunk driver rams unregistered Porsche Taycan into 2-wheeler at high speed | 2 dead

Blood is cheaper than water in India. I hope those poor souls who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time rest in peace. If it weren't them, it would have been someone else. The blame lies entirely on the maniacal kid (and his family) who is a product of his poor upbringing.

In today's age of social media trends and the pursuit of appearing cool - and I say this as a member of social media (minus the cringe-inducing trends) - it is not shocking that even regular kids get their hands on alcohol. People make fake IDs all the time; thatís the sad reality. Itís easier for the affluent to commit heinous acts and get away with them. The margin for consequences is almost nonexistent for them.

Lastly, purely from an academic and car enthusiast's perspective, the images of the crashed Taycan are a testament to the safety of modern Porsches. The engineering is brilliant, considering the heavy car and the high speeds involved.
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Old 21st May 2024, 16:56   #81
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Whenever such incidents in which high profile ones are involved happens, I feel that our media and journalists do not dare to ask direct questions to the concerned authorities.

1) Did journalist ask the police dept about the allegations about providing burger/pizza to the accused in the police station? I have gone through many news channels running this news and no one has asked this type of question.

2) Police stations also have CCTV cameras. Can't journalists being so powerful ask about checking the footage of the same?

3) Can't the journalists ask the guardian minister/home minister/CM/courts that how could the whole system acted so swiftly and grant him the bail?

4) What were the traffic police/RTO doing when an unregistered car was roaming around in the city for more than a month? Didn't they ever notice it?

5) There have been numerous complaints by citizens of Kalyani nagar and Viman Nagar about the large number of illegal pubs operating in these areas and the menace thy are causing. Not a single concerned dept acted against them so swiftly.

I know, I may be naive/obtuse to ask these types of questions but very much sure that:

1) The pub owners, pub employees will be released soon. There would be some action taken against them. But they will be operating soon.

2) The father of the accused would also be on the bail soon.

3) The accused will never be treated as an adult.

4) The case will go on for years and people will ultimately forget about it. Just check, no one/media is now not discussing about the Thane hoarding accident.

5) There will be similar types of incidents that will continue happening and we will be continue venting out our anger, frustration about the system.

May the deceased one get the justice they deserve.
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Old 21st May 2024, 17:19   #82
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Let us all debate and be in a delusional world where we can expect justice to be served. But in reality, money is the biggest flex- not limited to India.
We can hope all we want but just a few flats in Bramha Corp and everything will fizz down in a few months. Down a few years we will have a booming 30 under 30 Forbes eligible bachelor just graduating from a prestigious college and coming back to take his throne.
RIP to both the people for coming in the way of the mogul.
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We have a car being driven at great speed by a kid. That's all that really matters.
Indeed. Resulting in 2 deceased humans. Nothing else matters.
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My friend in Texas who turned 16 last year had to do a 6 month online and offline course to get his license.
Thank god that rule isn't in India and it should never be.
That rule needs to be in India, the sooner the better. A driving licence is not an award for winning a silly 10-minute video game (but such is the case in India). One who drives is responsible for others' lives (as well as their own).
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That rule needs to be in India, the sooner the better. A driving licence is not an award for winning a silly 10-minute video game (but such is the case in India). One who drives is responsible for others' lives (as well as their own).
Absolutely agree, getting a driving license should be made harder, and more training should be provided. Not sure whether you mean getting it at a younger age (like 16) too, but personally I think it's necessary. As of the moment 16 year olds can only legally operate a scooty under 70cc. Those aren't even sold anymore.
With a lack of connectivity without cabs/autos, I needed to use a scooty to get to classes from 16-18, and did so responsibly, with a helmet and more regard for traffic laws than many drivers on the ride - albeit without a license that actually meant anything.
Better to offer certification, training and accountability than this happen.
As of now fake licenses can be made for 9-12k.
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Indeed. Resulting in 2 deceased humans. Nothing else matters.

That rule needs to be in India, the sooner the better. A driving licence is not an award for winning a silly 10-minute video game (but such is the case in India). One who drives is responsible for others' lives (as well as their own).
In addition, we should also introduce the multi level licensing system that europe has. Kids should be allowed to start off on lower powered equipment and should move up with time, age and experience.

I have a feeling that this case would be taken up seriously and will be made into an example. I read online about Devendra Phadnavis asking for strict action to be meted out to the involved parties; lets hope this is not just a publicity stunt in these election times.

Hopefully, if the accused are punished stringently, one could hope that it may serve as a deterrent to possible future cases. We lack the 'fear of the law' among the well connected and influential section of the society which is why such cases have been getting brushed under the carpet until now.

That is the only scenario in which I see at least some form of justice being done to the families of the victims. May they find strength to bear and handle with this great loss.
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For this a particular accident, I entirely blame the rich kid for what he did and his father for remaining a fool despite many precedents in last decade or so.

At a larger level, I have only the authorities (read police) to blame and nothing else. Is it really so difficult to curb the menace of drunk driving when its there out in the open for anyone to catch? Really? For any of our urban areas, police just needs to keep an eye on people getting out of these watering holes and they can nab them red handed. But no. Why would they take the pain in doing so. I believe they don't even need to do it at every place every day, they just need to be random but instill so much fear so that no body dares such an act.
While some of our agencies can trace evidences from Mars also, police cant see what is visible in broad day light.

The whole system has got such a myopic sight and no will to fix things holistically.

Have seen some of my friends having no fear at all in driving drunk on Indian roads while I could see them not even touching the steering wheel with 2 beers down in UK. Lawbreakers don't fear the police in this country and only the law abiders want to stay away from police stations and judiciary. That's so sad.

Some recent examples that come to mind where as a society we are only reactive.

A hoarding falls in Mumbai, govt orders all hoardings in Mumbai to be audited? Why Mumbai alone? Is the state gov for Mumbai alone or are Pune, Bhusaval, Nanded immune to hoardings falling?

A roof top restaurant in upmarket suburb of Mumbai catches fire, some influential people lose their loved ones. There are raids across Mumbai and other cities. Few months later, it is all back to same. Go, try out any rooftop places with temporary structures in Monsoon in Pune.

A huge personality dies in a crash in rear seat. There is a knee jerk reaction from government about rear seat belts. I had written to the Gadkari ji in 2014 (still have the email) about implementing child seats regulation in India. I know they will do it but for that a super duper rich kid will have to sacrifice their life.

I can go on ranting and it just leaves me in utter frustration and the thought that perhaps such things wont change without a social uprising. But who will do that? We are all busy in our lives and somewhat happy to see that the tragedy didn't happen to us or our loved ones, but it's just a matter of time. Any day any moment, it could be me, you, or any of our loved ones. One cannot be at peace with these issues around safety in India.
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The only right thing that was done was there was a chauffeur in the car.when my kid/s turn 18, they will start off with an underpowered car. From today's market, I would probably buy something like the Altroz 1.2L NA Petrol MT for them. Slow, safe, good-looking, practical, Tata niggles will teach them a couple of things (mechanical basics, how to interact with people at dealer workshops) .
The kid should have been first taught to respect the chauffer, if he has treated him like a servant than the chauffeur has 0 say in what the kid wants to do with the car.

I love the fatherly aspect of yours in giving a underpowered car (you did a mini review of altroz ) ,how about starting with Altroz CNG instead .

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In the hindsight, the chauffeur should have been strictly instructed to not hand over the keys to the kid,drive
Below accident is a classic case where the driver has no say when his malik however small he maybe wishes to drive. He was 14 and the report mentions he was learning to drive!

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/...w/51920284.cms

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I am equally shocked at the 'harsh' punishment prescribed by the Juvenile Justice Board of writing 300 words essay on road accidents (don't know even if they aware of Chat GPT) and helping traffic cops for 15 days.
Wonder what would be their advice for the juveniles who commit sexual offence against women. Write essay on women safety and empowerment?
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The absurd way this was dealt with is a complete travesty of justice. Helmets apart I'd like to narrate an incident that happened in Pune many years back.

I was driving a Honda Accord. Was at a junction that had no traffic lights, at a speed of a crawl. The road ahead was up a bridge curving to the right. The road on the left approaching the junction was sloping downward from another bridge.

A motorbike with 3 seated on it comes down the bridge from the left. Their speed was high enough for them not to be able to control their bike to make the turn on the bridge that was ahead of me. They crashed into the Accord and damaged it.

I got out to check but they sped off on the bike. I followed them only to be led to an area where all the local goons came out to start protecting them. By this time some people I knew reached the location. We then left that location as it was most uncomfortable and unsafe.

Reason for me writing this - Those riding triples on a bike are akin to a Diwali rocket without a tail to direct it. It can just go anywhere.

While this has nothing to do with the incident on this post, let this be a reminder that we share the road with sensible people but also goons, ruffians, criminals and the politically connected. Stay safe.
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Old 21st May 2024, 19:25   #90
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Folks.. all those complaining about enforcement, licensing, are we even living in the same country?

It is a case of fence eating the crop - right from politicians down to the official. If historically they had done their job correctly, we would not be in this position. Let us accept that the rot is much deep in the society - most of us wouldn't mind greasing palms to get over a violation. If anything, it is the judiciary which needs to step in (which it occassionally does) for us to have a chance at redemption. And of course, moral education. But, how can you expect school education to correct something of the parents themselves don't follow at home?

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