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Old 17th October 2018, 14:05   #10381
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Don't you just hate people who can't respect the stop line, and actually go on to block your path?

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This motorcyclist has two separate bags dangling over his accelerator. I would understand if he chose to hang it on the other side, but over the accelerator? Recipe for disaster!

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Old 17th October 2018, 14:44   #10382
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This motorcyclist has two separate bags dangling over his accelerator. I would understand if he chose to hang it on the other side, but over the accelerator? Recipe for disaster!
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Don't you just hate people who can't respect the stop line, and actually go on to block your path?
I wish that our police would target such vehicles when they are on their drives to meet their monthly targets. Easy pickings, incontrovertible proof - the vehicles can't go anywhere either!

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Wish the Supreme Court had something to say about this.
While concrete measures would be nice, I'm sure we'll instead be asked to put our driving license in sticker form on the windshield.

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Old 17th October 2018, 15:04   #10383
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I wish that our police would target such vehicles when they are on their drives to meet their monthly targets. Easy pickings, incontrovertible proof - the vehicles can't go anywhere either!
How many drivers know that it is a stop line? That you are not supposed to cross it? That you need to slow down near a Zebra crossing to let someone cross? Solid line divider, yellow lines, broken lines?

I bet not even 50% of the driving/riding population. Wish the Supreme Court had something to say about this.
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Old 17th October 2018, 15:32   #10384
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I bet not even 50% of the driving/riding population. Wish the Supreme Court had something to say about this.
50% is way too high. I'm guessing it'll be a tenth of that at best (not kidding).
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50% is way too high. I'm guessing it'll be a tenth of that at best (not kidding).
Let alone make them follow rules. First task is to make them aware that rules even exist.
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I was just surfing through Youtube and I came across the videos of this guy called Faisal Khan, lives in Mumbai I guess, Navi Mumbai to be precise as most of his videos are from Palm Beach Road and I am surprised that he is not behind bars yet.

Everyone of his test is about doing unmentionable speeds on Palm Beach road (which has people riding and driving at less than half his speed) or on the Mumbai Pune Expressway and gleefully posting it online so that people would ape and probably have a crash.

There was no other thread I could post this onto so ended up posting it here.
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I was just surfing through Youtube and I came across the videos of this guy called Faisal Khan, lives in Mumbai I guess, Navi Mumbai to be precise as most of his videos are from Palm Beach Road and I am surprised that he is not behind bars yet.
We talked about him a few pages back and in general about online reviewers. Faisal is a reviewer for some auto portal too. One time I said something about his brazen law breaking in the YouTube comments and his fans were not happy with me. No wonder Indian roads are such a shitshow with moronic people following another law breaking idiot like a cult and calling him an expert driver and rider.

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most of his videos are from Palm Beach Road and I am surprised that he is not behind bars yet.
It's not just about the law he breaks but what concerns me more is that how he is indirectly influencing countless youngsters/ameatures into driving this fast on public roads.
I believe if one is having a fan following or large number of supporters/subscribers, then every act of that person should largely be in public interest, be it driving or whatever.

Sadly, no strict action is taken against such persons. I hope it happens soon.

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We talked about him a few pages back and in general about online reviewers. Faisal is a reviewer for some auto portal too. One time I said something about his brazen law breaking in the YouTube comments and his fans were not happy with me. No wonder Indian roads are such a shitshow with moronic people following another law breaking idiot like a cult and calling him an expert driver and rider.
On his profile it says ''Founder and CEO of Motorbeam", his fans must be of the same variety as him, we should report guys like these to the Mumbai Traffic Police on Twitter

In one of his reviews of the Avanti he says 'I am absolutely scared for my life because this car is moving all over the place ' and this was while his car was nearing the 2 ton mark passing other cars on Palm Beach Road during the day, stops at the signal, begins to accelerate again and on a turn says handling is so bad I point the car somewhere and it goes somewhere else while shaking the steering while passing a biker on the left while doing a ton and half, can you even imagine that?

I was shocked that these people are even called journalists, car companies call them for reviews and let them do antics like these with their demo cars?

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It's not just about the law he breaks but what concerns me more is that how he is indirectly influencing countless youngsters/ameatures into driving this fast on public roads.
I believe if one is having a fan following or large number of supporters/subscribers, then every act of that person should largely be in public interest, be it driving or whatever.

Sadly, no strict action is taken against such persons. I hope it happens soon.
I hope so too, this nonsense in the name of journalism has to stop.

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I was just surfing through Youtube and I came across the videos of this guy called Faisal Khan, lives in Mumbai I guess, Navi Mumbai to be precise as most of his videos are from Palm Beach Road and I am surprised that he is not behind bars yet.

Everyone of his test is about doing unmentionable speeds on Palm Beach road (which has people riding and driving at less than half his speed) or on the Mumbai Pune Expressway and gleefully posting it online so that people would ape and probably have a crash.

There was no other thread I could post this onto so ended up posting it here.
Have requested mods to move these posts to a seperate thread; perhaps ironically, this menace deserves more publicity - especially with the administration.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Also, slightly on an already slightly thing, one may find this gent's fans here too:
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intro...-youtuber.html (Meeting my favorite YouTuber!)

The incongruity of the title as the intro thread caught my eye - made me laugh, it did, before I updated my ignore list.

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I'm dubious that this is the thread for this discussion, but... Is there any chance that a complaint to YouTube would do any good?
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Old 20th October 2018, 16:23   #10392
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I'm dubious that this is the thread for this discussion, but... Is there any chance that a complaint to YouTube would do any good?
YouTube does not remove these kind of videos which is fair from their end. It's not their job to enforce laws except for very blatant ones as it varies across countries and continents. If someone has to do anything, it is the Police department of that city.

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Old 21st October 2018, 03:40   #10393
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YouTube does not remove these kind of videos which is fair from their end. It's not their job to enforce laws except for very blatant ones as it varies across countries and continents. If someone has to do anything, it is the Police department of that city.
About the Faisal Khan "menace" as described here, I think all those "concerned" should have a look at You Tubes take on such videos and take a cue from that. Simply because, for one, there are tons of drivers around everywhere who have much worse everyday driving habits causing much more heartburn and stress on the roads everyday without even realizing it maybe, if you observe closely. Oh, they're not on YouTube, by the way, so most wouldn't know. Secondly, except for the one thing against him is his being in illegal speeds at times, briefly, his driving is not really what one would call rash. And guess what, I never watched his videos and went out and revved the nuts out of my own machine as a result. Because I'm not an ape and don't ape things. If somebody did ape, then he's an ape, and Faisal didn't ask the ape to do it in the first place. Just saying.

I've watched a lot of his videos amongst other people's videos and noticed that he never breaks signals as far as I've seen, doesn't stop on the zebra crossing, never cuts of anybody or creates a situation where someone yells at him, never saw him zigzagging, or tailgating someone or any such thing. Even his "menacing" speed stints are always on deserted strips or on back roads or the likes. Also, he always wears safety gear especially on a bike, which almost nobody normally does. This is what I personally distinctly noticed. Now I'm not an expert like most may be here but to my mind that's pretty acceptable if you compare it to most other road users of Apna pyaara desh. Ah, the speed thingy is the thing I can't comment about. But guess what, even our xbhp logo has the needle way in the red. I'm not requesting the mods to get it into acceptable territory though.

Everyone likes to point fingers, but come on, how many bhpians can cross their heart and say they've never overpeeded or never do it occasionally on the sly? There you go. Everyone has the answer I guess. Of it being legal and right or wrong is another story.

Now let me be clear though that I'm not defending the so-called "menace"(though it my well seem like ) and I'm not exactly a fan but I do watch his videos simply because it gives one a good idea of the more extreme performance of most exciting vehicles. I get a good idea of what it feels like too. Most other journos do it too. Faisal is a bit different though, I would say.

Why do I get a feeling that a lot of guys are going to pounce on this post? Well, it's just my two cents. Hope I'm entitled to that.
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Old 21st October 2018, 05:42   #10394
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About the Faisal Khan "menace" as described here, I think all those "concerned" should have a look at You Tubes take on such videos and take a cue from that. Simply because, for one, there are tons of drivers around everywhere who have much worse everyday driving habits causing much more heartburn and stress on the roads everyday without even realizing it maybe, if you observe closely.
And to be honest if you were actually "concerned", whataboutery would not have been the argument.

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Oh, they're not on YouTube, by the way, so most wouldn't know. Secondly, except for the one thing against him is his being in illegal speeds at times, briefly, his driving is not really what one would call rash. And guess what, I never watched his videos and went out and revved the nuts out of my own machine as a result. Because I'm not an ape and don't ape things. If somebody did ape, then he's an ape, and Faisal didn't ask the ape to do it in the first place. Just saying.
What you call as just "illegal speeds" follows E=MC2. The difference in energy contained in a 1.5 ton car traveling at legal speeds versus unmentionable speeds he does in his video is exponentially more. Which in other words means that he is exponentially dangerous for the others around him. There is no justification for it. If you want to speed, find a private road and do it to your hearts content. I infact reported him to Mumbai traffic police but I wonder if anything was done.

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I've watched a lot of his videos amongst other people's videos and noticed that he never breaks signals as far as I've seen, doesn't stop on the zebra crossing, never cuts of anybody or creates a situation where someone yells at him, never saw him zigzagging, or tailgating someone or any such thing. Even his "menacing" speed stints are always on deserted strips or on back roads or the likes. Also, he always wears safety gear especially on a bike, which almost nobody normally does. This is what I personally distinctly noticed. Now I'm not an expert like most may be here but to my mind that's pretty acceptable if you compare it to most other road users of Apna pyaara desh. Ah, the speed thingy is the thing I can't comment about. But guess what, even our xbhp logo has the needle way in the red. I'm not requesting the mods to get it into acceptable territory though.
Oh so you mean that if he breaks signals or yell at people etc etc he will put it in his youtube videos for us to see. Given how he speeds on public roads in the name of so called "reviews" I would not give him the benefit of doubt so easily. Just saying.

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Everyone likes to point fingers, but come on, how many bhpians can cross their heart and say they've never overpeeded or never do it occasionally on the sly? There you go. Everyone has the answer I guess. Of it being legal and right or wrong is another story.
And therefore everyone should stop pointing fingers (even those who follow rules) and everyone should speed because everyone else is doing it.

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Now let me be clear though that I'm not defending the so-called "menace"(though it my well seem like ) and I'm not exactly a fan but I do watch his videos simply because it gives one a good idea of the more extreme performance of most exciting vehicles. I get a good idea of what it feels like too. Most other journos do it too. Faisal is a bit different though, I would say.
Your whole argument is defending him or whataboutery. If most other journo's as per you do it, call them out too. Its no justification.

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Why do I get a feeling that a lot of guys are going to pounce on this post? Well, it's just my two cents. Hope I'm entitled to that.
I wonder why you get the feeling. Guilty conscious?
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I've watched a lot of his videos amongst other people's videos and noticed that he never breaks signals as far as I've seen, doesn't stop on the zebra crossing, never cuts of anybody or creates a situation where someone yells at him, never saw him zigzagging, or tailgating someone or any such thing. Even his "menacing" speed stints are always on deserted strips or on back roads or the likes. Also, he always wears safety gear especially on a bike, which almost nobody normally does. This is what I personally distinctly noticed. Now I'm not an expert like most may be here but to my mind that's pretty acceptable if you compare it to most other road users of Apna pyaara desh.

If we are talking about the gentleman driving the GTR in this video then I'm




I'm no saint to preach people on how to drive on public roads. But over a period of time I've learned to stop doing somethings. So I'm not getting into the larger debate about the reviewer.

The bar/expectation on safety and good driving skills are abysmally low in India. So I'm not surprised that you didn't find anything wrong with his driving.

In the interest of fellow readers, I would like to call out somethings that caught my attention in the above video,

1. Launch Control:
I could see vehicles all around. Heck, there was a bus on his ORVM.
Look at the number of failed attempts to launch. Things like launch control and driving with Traction Control = OFF requires a lot of skill and familiarisation. It's better to try those in a controlled environment and then show-off.

2. Overtaking from the left:
Not an issue in India I suppose. But if you care, try to overtake from the right.

3. Indicators:
Is it too much to ask for a driver to indicate? Oh, btw indicators are not ONLY for taking 90 degree turns into a street, it's for changing lanes as well.

Parting line: A GTR review from another reviewer from another country. You be the judge. Which one do you like?

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