Calling all owners for a "Tata Safari" into the Himalayas

Steeroid · 9th May 2007, 18:44

Conf. On Skype Now. Please Hold Your Horses Or Join Us On Skype.

Vikrocks · 9th May 2007, 18:54

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Hello Vik.
WE are planning to start on 11th August (Saturday) morning from Delhi. You can start your trip a little later and join us.
Since you will be carrying your babies with you in your vehicle

nobody is going to have any objection. However we do not know wether the hotels we will stay in allow your labs!

I am planning to start for Leh on 5th morning and come back by 15-16th as i need one hand a half day drive from delhi to reach Hyderabad. Would love to be with you guys, august is far, let us see if i can delay by a few day then i will join you guys.

I have Innova G4 and I think should be good enough for the road to leh.

BunnyPunia · 9th May 2007, 18:54

ANother map :

this map shows the road to khardungla (north of leh) and road to pangong (see south of leh, and then the road going east to chang la and finally pangong lake)

@whatcanthisbe : that is why i curious how can the sensor sense black ice. here is a pic of Black ice:

Black ice occurs when temp goes down a lot at night and the water on the road or from the melting ice freezes. The layer is almost invisible but once the vehicle starts skidding , you know you are on it.

The marks in the pic above are from two bikes which skidded and fell on black ice. this was between kufri and fagu on nh-22 in dec 2004. I have seen cars to loosing it on Black ice. one needs to be extra careful

khaadu75 · 9th May 2007, 19:31

Bunny, Its very easy for cars to lose it on black ice ... and u dont need to be a bad driver to be able to pull that of !! For one .. specially if it comes after a dry stretch -- as ur speed is faster and when u realise u r on ice u tend to tap the brake and thats all it takes to go spinning !!!

And I too wonder how the gadget senses black ice ...... !!!

But guys ... a list that detailed aint required !!! ;-)

whatcanthisbe · 9th May 2007, 19:40

bunny that is what i mean all black ice sensors are ext temp sensors and warn you of a danger of black ice that is all .... and it gets worse at night ...
i have seen / experienced plenty of black ice not fun at all

tsk1979 · 9th May 2007, 20:52

Ok Me and steer got together on Skype worked out a schedule. Its almost same as what was being discussed before with slight changes

Day 1: 10 Aug Friday, Start from Delhi early evening reach Chandigarh or Ropar by 10pm
If I can arrange for acco in Ropar very good. Ropar is 1.5 hours from chd, and 20 minutes from Kiratpur Sahib, where we start the climb to Manali

Day 2: 11 Aug Sat : Start from chd/Ropar by 5am/6am, reach keylong/Jispa. Drive time 10 hours from chd, 9 hours from Ropar.
Manali is 4-5 hours from chd/Ropar depending upon traffic conditions. This will save one day and less driving time will mean a less tiring. With NHAI constructions in progress, doing Delhi-Manali will be draining.
We will go till either keylong or Jispa depending on where we get comfortable VFM accommodation.

Day 3: 12 Aug Sun: Keylong - Leh. 11 hours of tough driving
This is the hard part. Expect AMS to hit at Sarchu, hopefully we will spend lesser time at very high altitudes.

Day 4: 13 Aug Mon : See Leh and surroundings
Get Permit work done too, and most importantly get some sleep early

Day 5: 14 Aug Tue: Go to the Pangong lake and come back before nightfall.
Have to start early. Previous day's rest should do good. Be back by nighfall

Day 6: 15 Aug Wed Khardungla etc.,
This will also be a little easy day with surrounding sight seeting, back before nightfall

Day 7 : 16 Aug thursday Leh - Keylong
Hard riding again, and then a good nights sleep

Day 8 : 17 Aug Friday : Keylong - Delhi etc.,
Total time in 15 hours, with latter part on smooth GT road all the way from Ambala to delhi(3.5 hours). Intersted people can stay back at chd to rest and start for delhi next day early morning. Can catch chd evening life on the day too!

BunnyPunia · 9th May 2007, 22:46

Purrrfect plan. All the very best

tsk1979 · 9th May 2007, 23:05

List of Items

1.Personal use

Tents or atleast sleeping bags
Medical kit (Complete list to be compiled later)
Portable Oxygen
Food : Noodles(Atta), Chocolates, Juice(Real etc.,), Water bottles
Anti UV sun screen and Good sunglasses
Hot water bottle
Elastic Crepe Bandages(2 per person, wide type)

2. Car use

Shovel
Torch - One per car atleast
Tyre repair kit
Air compressor
Jump start kit
DC - AC supply(110/220V)
Belts and Hoses
Fuses and Relays for electrical failure
Fluids for car(Engine oil/GBox oil/Brake oil/Battery water)
Toolkit with multimeter etc.,
If possible one OBD II scanner
30 Liter Fuel can/car
Tow ropes
Fire extinguisher

4. Clothing

Thermal Underwear (the sort described in the posts below)
Warm Outerwear.
Windcheaters or other weatherproof jackets.
Woolen socks
Shoes that cover ankles
Balaclava (monkey cap) or other protection for head.
Gloves - just in case we need to get out and change tyres....
Woolen mufflers
Woolen Shawl

4. Misc

GPS/Navigational aid
Digital Thermometer
One satellite phone(If possible)
Portable radio, one set 2km range ( Lead and Tail car)

Samurai · 9th May 2007, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Tanveer, the torch I mentioned can light up an object 200ft away. It is so bright, you can't look at it directly. Running on two AA duracell batteries since Oct 2005.

I just checked my torch and to my surprise found a website address on it. This is it: Welcome To ANDSLITE

It runs 500+ hours on one set of 3 batteries, no wonder it is still on the first set.

Samurai · 9th May 2007, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by BunnyPunia

The marks in the pic above are from two bikes which skidded and fell on black ice. this was between kufri and fagu on nh-22 in dec 2004. I have seen cars to loosing it on Black ice. one needs to be extra careful

Black ice is most dangerous when you encounter it in curves. In straight roads, if you don't do anything, you can glide over provided you not are trying to brake. The two wheelers have no prayer. Just keep off the brakes if you happen to drive over black ice or any ice for that matter. One of my friend totalled a rental car on black ice while doing 60mph.

tsk1979 · 10th May 2007, 00:22

Black ICE is the reason I do not want to do any stretch after Rohtang after dark.
I did Narkanda this Jan, and after shimla it was all in the dark.
Whenever in doubt I used to slow down to 30, but still at so many places I saw myself sliding. Had to consciously refrain from using brakes. Even at stretches where I was doing 40 on straights I kept the car in second gear so that if I start sliding I can accelerate out of the mess.
Its more of a luck thing. You will slide. Where your slide will take you? Well that depends on luck, the faster you go the more you push your luck.

Samurai · 10th May 2007, 00:28

This thread should be under Route/Travel queries. Now it is there.

v1p3r · 10th May 2007, 00:30

Will we need snow chains?

Samurai · 10th May 2007, 00:34

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

Will we need snow chains?

Snow chains can damage tar roads, not needed and don't think they are allowed either.

BunnyPunia · 10th May 2007, 00:48

snow chains..nah, i dont think u should be needing them..at the most if u get sorta stuck in snow slush, try lowerin the air pressure in the tyres for traction

9th May 2007, 18:44	#91
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9th May 2007, 18:54	#93
BunnyPunia BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 895 Thanked: 1,257 Times View My Garage	ANother map : this map shows the road to khardungla (north of leh) and road to pangong (see south of leh, and then the road going east to chang la and finally pangong lake) @whatcanthisbe : that is why i curious how can the sensor sense black ice. here is a pic of Black ice: Black ice occurs when temp goes down a lot at night and the water on the road or from the melting ice freezes. The layer is almost invisible but once the vehicle starts skidding , you know you are on it. The marks in the pic above are from two bikes which skidded and fell on black ice. this was between kufri and fagu on nh-22 in dec 2004. I have seen cars to loosing it on Black ice. one needs to be extra careful Last edited by BunnyPunia : 9th May 2007 at 19:13.
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9th May 2007, 19:31	#94
khaadu75 BANNED Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: same as the proposed venue for F1 ;-) Posts: 1,156 Thanked: 16 Times View My Garage	Bunny, Its very easy for cars to lose it on black ice ... and u dont need to be a bad driver to be able to pull that of !! For one .. specially if it comes after a dry stretch -- as ur speed is faster and when u realise u r on ice u tend to tap the brake and thats all it takes to go spinning !!! And I too wonder how the gadget senses black ice ...... !!! But guys ... a list that detailed aint required !!! ;-)
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9th May 2007, 19:40	#95
whatcanthisbe BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: http://www.wandering-online.com Posts: 499 Thanked: 6 Times	bunny that is what i mean all black ice sensors are ext temp sensors and warn you of a danger of black ice that is all .... and it gets worse at night ... i have seen / experienced plenty of black ice not fun at all Last edited by whatcanthisbe : 9th May 2007 at 19:44.
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9th May 2007, 20:52	#96
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Tentative schedule Ok Me and steer got together on Skype worked out a schedule. Its almost same as what was being discussed before with slight changes Day 1: 10 Aug Friday, Start from Delhi early evening reach Chandigarh or Ropar by 10pm If I can arrange for acco in Ropar very good. Ropar is 1.5 hours from chd, and 20 minutes from Kiratpur Sahib, where we start the climb to Manali Day 2: 11 Aug Sat : Start from chd/Ropar by 5am/6am, reach keylong/Jispa. Drive time 10 hours from chd, 9 hours from Ropar. Manali is 4-5 hours from chd/Ropar depending upon traffic conditions. This will save one day and less driving time will mean a less tiring. With NHAI constructions in progress, doing Delhi-Manali will be draining. We will go till either keylong or Jispa depending on where we get comfortable VFM accommodation. Day 3: 12 Aug Sun: Keylong - Leh. 11 hours of tough driving This is the hard part. Expect AMS to hit at Sarchu, hopefully we will spend lesser time at very high altitudes. Day 4: 13 Aug Mon : See Leh and surroundings Get Permit work done too, and most importantly get some sleep early Day 5: 14 Aug Tue: Go to the Pangong lake and come back before nightfall. Have to start early. Previous day's rest should do good. Be back by nighfall Day 6: 15 Aug Wed Khardungla etc., This will also be a little easy day with surrounding sight seeting, back before nightfall Day 7 : 16 Aug thursday Leh - Keylong Hard riding again, and then a good nights sleep Day 8 : 17 Aug Friday : Keylong - Delhi etc., Total time in 15 hours, with latter part on smooth GT road all the way from Ambala to delhi(3.5 hours). Intersted people can stay back at chd to rest and start for delhi next day early morning. Can catch chd evening life on the day too!
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9th May 2007, 22:46	#97
BunnyPunia BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 895 Thanked: 1,257 Times View My Garage	Purrrfect plan. All the very best
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9th May 2007, 23:05	#98
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	List of items List of Items 1.Personal use Tents or atleast sleeping bags Medical kit (Complete list to be compiled later) Portable Oxygen Food : Noodles(Atta), Chocolates, Juice(Real etc.,), Water bottles Anti UV sun screen and Good sunglasses Hot water bottle Elastic Crepe Bandages(2 per person, wide type) 2. Car use Shovel Torch - One per car atleast Tyre repair kit Air compressor Jump start kit DC - AC supply(110/220V) Belts and Hoses Fuses and Relays for electrical failure Fluids for car(Engine oil/GBox oil/Brake oil/Battery water) Toolkit with multimeter etc., If possible one OBD II scanner 30 Liter Fuel can/car Tow ropes Fire extinguisher 4. Clothing Thermal Underwear (the sort described in the posts below) Warm Outerwear. Windcheaters or other weatherproof jackets. Woolen socks Shoes that cover ankles Balaclava (monkey cap) or other protection for head. Gloves - just in case we need to get out and change tyres.... Woolen mufflers Woolen Shawl 4. Misc GPS/Navigational aid Digital Thermometer One satellite phone(If possible) Portable radio, one set 2km range ( Lead and Tail car) Last edited by tsk1979 : 10th May 2007 at 13:22.
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10th May 2007, 00:22	#101
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Black ICE is the reason I do not want to do any stretch after Rohtang after dark. I did Narkanda this Jan, and after shimla it was all in the dark. Whenever in doubt I used to slow down to 30, but still at so many places I saw myself sliding. Had to consciously refrain from using brakes. Even at stretches where I was doing 40 on straights I kept the car in second gear so that if I start sliding I can accelerate out of the mess. Its more of a luck thing. You will slide. Where your slide will take you? Well that depends on luck, the faster you go the more you push your luck.
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10th May 2007, 00:28	#102
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,826 Thanked: 45,514 Times View My Garage	This thread should be under Route/Travel queries. Now it is there.
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10th May 2007, 00:30	#103
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Will we need snow chains?
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10th May 2007, 00:48	#105
BunnyPunia BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 895 Thanked: 1,257 Times View My Garage	snow chains..nah, i dont think u should be needing them..at the most if u get sorta stuck in snow slush, try lowerin the air pressure in the tyres for traction
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