New Mumbai Experiment:"3 or more in a car can take fast lane"

n.devdath · 15th September 2009, 09:44

Hi All,
I was just wondering if this could be really implemented at Mumbai??

MUMBAI: Mumbai’s traffic police on Monday filed an affidavit before the Bombay high court, proposing the ‘High Occupancy Lane’ project as a possible solution to the city’s traffic congestion.

They have mooted demarcation of a “fast’’ lane on major arterial roads exclusively for cars that carry three or more passengers. They claim the move will encourage people to use car pools.

The trial run is proposed to be from Mahim to Haji Ali junction and Suman Nagar to Nesbit junction on the western and eastern corridors respectively. The court is scheduled to hear the arguments on Tuesday.

Source: Times of India.
?3 or more in a car can take fast lane? - Mumbai - City - NEWS - The Times of India.

moralfibre · 15th September 2009, 09:51

Similar concept exists in the USA. They call them car pool lanes and the minimum requirement is 2 or more passengers or a hybrid like the Toyota Prius. Unfortunately they had to withdraw the minimum requirement of having a hybrid since almost everyone bought one. The rule still holds for any car with two or more people in it or for motorcycles that are permitted to ride on the free way. The car pool lanes operate at certain peak hour times of the day. BUT, a major difference is that these lanes exist on freeway's and expressway's not in the arterial roads of the city.

tsk1979 · 15th September 2009, 10:54

In California, even major local roads(non freeways) which have 3 or more lanes get a car pool/bus lane

Gansan · 15th September 2009, 11:01

I think the ideal solution for India will be to allow cars/bikes with odd number plates to ply on certain days and those with even ones on certain other days. I have heard this kind of system is already in vogue in some small European states.

sgiitk · 15th September 2009, 11:14

@Gansan: This is the most silly rule there is. What happened - people just bought anther car!

What bugs me in the experiment is that a large fraction of the 'super fast CNG powered' Taxis may be eligible for the so called 'fast lane'.

watashi75 · 15th September 2009, 11:29

Does that mean that even 2-wheelers carrying 3 or more will be eligible? What about autos going at 40 kmph on the "fast" lane? And what happens if a faster car is behind a slow car on the "fast" lane, does it move to the "slow" lane and then overtake?

deep_bang · 15th September 2009, 11:37

The only thing that I see as a challenge is the design and enforcement.

On the design front, they tried a seperate lane for autos in Bangalore. This failed as it proved more dangerous at the intersections where autos would change 3 lanes to take a turn.

On the enforcement front, havnig just a lane seperator would allow all to get into this lane. Its a challenge i must say!! Lets see!

subscrive · 15th September 2009, 12:28

Does taxi count in this? If yes, then would be fast enough?

watashi75 · 15th September 2009, 12:45

I just noticed that this thread is in the wrong section.

Mods can please move this thread to the appropriate section.

Sunilb · 15th September 2009, 13:04

I think the major cause of traffic congestion are the public transport vehicles specially the Autorickshaws on Mumbai roads...have you ever experienced a day on the road when these Auto-Taxi Unions went for a strike!!! The roads were so clear that one could drive consistently at 60+ without getting irritated on having an Autorick dragging itself in the 1st lane as if lane disciplines dont apply for them.
One can just dream of that on normal days...or maybe need to think twice before thinking of such a dream...

These autosricks remind me of a flock of black Ants..the only difference would be that ants are disciplined enough to always move in a line.

ph03n!x · 15th September 2009, 16:40

This seems to be good thought- car pooling, faster travel, et all. But practical implementation and execution remains to be seen, too many discouraging factors beginning from each individual's road discipline!

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Originally Posted by Sunilb

These autosricks remind me of a flock of black Ants..the only difference would be that ants are disciplined enough to always move in a line.

That's an insult to the ants

I'd call them pigs rather!

Seeler_Rebeiro · 15th September 2009, 16:47

I think there is no need for this. In another 2 to 3 years, the Versova - Gatkoper elevated Metro will be in place. Also the mono rail around Chembur will be in place.

A lot of people , myself included, will junk the car, for the 20 mins ride from Andheri to Vikhroli. Same will be with the autos. A lot of people will use the metro instead of auto rickshaws.

quickdraw · 15th September 2009, 17:13

Sure the Metro's and Monorails will come but having a fast lane does make a lot of sense, especially on the western expressway it does.

Sahil · 15th September 2009, 17:17

It will encourage car pooling but I don't know how it will be monitored here. If our cops can't keep normal cars off bus lane in Pune I doubt they credibitility in stopping cars with less than 3 people on board from a lane.
Its going to be a hard task to monitor each car and it's occupants especially with sunfilm on almost every car now days.

sam003 · 15th September 2009, 17:25

I guess drivers here must be educated for lane driving first. Everyone here drives on top lane, specially those Vikram Betal three wheelers in Delhi-Gurgoan expressway. They hardly care for speed limit or other yelling at them by passing. They do come on flyover, its really hard to understand whether they are really moving or not. Unless Traffic police is able to put some sort of rule for them for lane driving nothing going to change.

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n.devdath BANNED Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,287 Thanked: 2,811 Times	New Mumbai Experiment:"3 or more in a car can take fast lane" Hi All, I was just wondering if this could be really implemented at Mumbai?? MUMBAI: Mumbai’s traffic police on Monday filed an affidavit before the Bombay high court, proposing the ‘High Occupancy Lane’ project as a possible solution to the city’s traffic congestion. They have mooted demarcation of a “fast’’ lane on major arterial roads exclusively for cars that carry three or more passengers. They claim the move will encourage people to use car pools. The trial run is proposed to be from Mahim to Haji Ali junction and Suman Nagar to Nesbit junction on the western and eastern corridors respectively. The court is scheduled to hear the arguments on Tuesday. Source: Times of India. ?3 or more in a car can take fast lane? - Mumbai - City - NEWS - The Times of India.
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15th September 2009, 09:51	#2
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,451 Thanked: 13,973 Times	Similar concept exists in the USA. They call them car pool lanes and the minimum requirement is 2 or more passengers or a hybrid like the Toyota Prius. Unfortunately they had to withdraw the minimum requirement of having a hybrid since almost everyone bought one. The rule still holds for any car with two or more people in it or for motorcycles that are permitted to ride on the free way. The car pool lanes operate at certain peak hour times of the day. BUT, a major difference is that these lanes exist on freeway's and expressway's not in the arterial roads of the city.
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15th September 2009, 10:54	#3
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	In California, even major local roads(non freeways) which have 3 or more lanes get a car pool/bus lane
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15th September 2009, 11:01	#4
Gansan Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,535 Thanked: 5,558 Times	I think the ideal solution for India will be to allow cars/bikes with odd number plates to ply on certain days and those with even ones on certain other days. I have heard this kind of system is already in vogue in some small European states.
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15th September 2009, 11:14	#5
sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,788 Times	@Gansan: This is the most silly rule there is. What happened - people just bought anther car! What bugs me in the experiment is that a large fraction of the 'super fast CNG powered' Taxis may be eligible for the so called 'fast lane'.
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15th September 2009, 11:29	#6
watashi75 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 518 Thanked: 12 Times	Does that mean that even 2-wheelers carrying 3 or more will be eligible? What about autos going at 40 kmph on the "fast" lane? And what happens if a faster car is behind a slow car on the "fast" lane, does it move to the "slow" lane and then overtake?
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15th September 2009, 11:37	#7
deep_bang BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore / Boise Posts: 888 Thanked: 1,271 Times	The only thing that I see as a challenge is the design and enforcement. On the design front, they tried a seperate lane for autos in Bangalore. This failed as it proved more dangerous at the intersections where autos would change 3 lanes to take a turn. On the enforcement front, havnig just a lane seperator would allow all to get into this lane. Its a challenge i must say!! Lets see!
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15th September 2009, 12:28	#8
subscrive BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 258 Thanked: 30 Times View My Garage	Does taxi count in this? If yes, then would be fast enough?
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15th September 2009, 12:45	#9
watashi75 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 518 Thanked: 12 Times	I just noticed that this thread is in the wrong section. Mods can please move this thread to the appropriate section.
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15th September 2009, 13:04	#10
Sunilb BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dubai-Mumbai Posts: 85 Thanked: 4 Times View My Garage	I think the major cause of traffic congestion are the public transport vehicles specially the Autorickshaws on Mumbai roads...have you ever experienced a day on the road when these Auto-Taxi Unions went for a strike!!! The roads were so clear that one could drive consistently at 60+ without getting irritated on having an Autorick dragging itself in the 1st lane as if lane disciplines dont apply for them. One can just dream of that on normal days...or maybe need to think twice before thinking of such a dream... These autosricks remind me of a flock of black Ants..the only difference would be that ants are disciplined enough to always move in a line.
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15th September 2009, 16:47	#12
Seeler_Rebeiro BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 261 Thanked: 82 Times	I think there is no need for this. In another 2 to 3 years, the Versova - Gatkoper elevated Metro will be in place. Also the mono rail around Chembur will be in place. A lot of people , myself included, will junk the car, for the 20 mins ride from Andheri to Vikhroli. Same will be with the autos. A lot of people will use the metro instead of auto rickshaws.
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15th September 2009, 17:13	#13
quickdraw Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,285 Thanked: 2,693 Times View My Garage	Sure the Metro's and Monorails will come but having a fast lane does make a lot of sense, especially on the western expressway it does.
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15th September 2009, 17:17	#14
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,292 Thanked: 7,607 Times	It will encourage car pooling but I don't know how it will be monitored here. If our cops can't keep normal cars off bus lane in Pune I doubt they credibitility in stopping cars with less than 3 people on board from a lane. Its going to be a hard task to monitor each car and it's occupants especially with sunfilm on almost every car now days.
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15th September 2009, 17:25	#15
sam003 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 533 Thanked: 67 Times	I guess drivers here must be educated for lane driving first. Everyone here drives on top lane, specially those Vikram Betal three wheelers in Delhi-Gurgoan expressway. They hardly care for speed limit or other yelling at them by passing. They do come on flyover, its really hard to understand whether they are really moving or not. Unless Traffic police is able to put some sort of rule for them for lane driving nothing going to change.
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