baleno vs lancer sfx

dipen · 19th February 2006, 14:24

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Originally Posted by sunith

saw a sonata gold with airbags
done 45160
music system and al that
selling for 2.5l
what do you guys think?

Its a steal, if the car is clean and paperwork perfect.
I know that Sonata's resale is pathetic but at 2.5 it is really worth it, no matter the FE is just 6 kmpl , its still a steal at 2.5Lak.
Add to it the safety features, leature and add ons ( as a bonus).

devarshi84 · 20th February 2006, 04:47

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Originally Posted by sunith

saw a sonata gold with airbags
done 45160
music system and al that
selling for 2.5l
what do you guys think?

Its tough to not expect something wrong here. A sonata for 2.5L is unheard of.

For 4-4.5L

Lancer LEI would be an excellent buy. Bigger more comfortable and an excellent highway cruiser. Leather,AUto everything and 14" alloys are standard

OHC is more for the boyracer crowd and the lack of low-end torque can be a hassle. but the difference is marginal.

A used baleno certainly cannot beat the lancer LEI in kit and extras. But interiors are comfortable.

Though they are hard to find try for the invecs. Auto for your dad and manual for you.

Samurai · 20th February 2006, 09:48

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Originally Posted by devarshi84

I am stunned. Stats say that south HAs the highest number of diesel lancers. where did the petrol come from?

I too was surprised. Last year I had rented a Lancer taxi for a whole day (500Kms) and I was talking to driver on the way back. I asked him how come this car is a petrol model. He said nobody buys diesel Lancers anymore because they are turning into a maintenance nightmare.

shuvc · 20th February 2006, 11:04

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Originally Posted by devarshi84

True that OHC values are falling but so are lancer and balenos values. OHC somehow has 20-30k more than lancer and baleno is even cheaper by around 50k-70k less than lancer.

Wouldn't that put Lancer and Baleno resale values at equal terms, considering that the Lancer was costlier by about 1 L.
Even today, the Lancer with similar aftermarket trim level as a Baleno would cost almost a lakh more .. and yes, this is considering the 6.97L Lancer BSIII tag here at Kolkata.

Also wouldn't that put the OHC at a real low resale value considering it cost more than a Baleno 3 years ago ?

All I'm trying to say is that when we compare resale values for a particular year model, let's also consider the OTR prices of the cars in that year.

devarshi84 · 20th February 2006, 11:09

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Originally Posted by shuvc

Wouldn't that put Lancer and Baleno resale values at equal terms, considering that the Lancer was costlier by about 1 L.
Even today, the Lancer with similar aftermarket trim level as a Baleno would cost almost a lakh more .. and yes, this is considering the 6.97L Lancer BSIII tag here at Kolkata.

Also wouldn't that put the OHC at a real low resale value considering it cost more than a Baleno 3 years ago ?

All I'm trying to say is that when we compare resale values for a particular year model, let's also consider the OTR prices of the cars in that year.

Well considering the OTR values lets not forget that Baleno used to cost a bomb sometime ago. The price for

OHC 1.5 was highest
Lancer glx and baleno were somewhat the same

Hence this would be a blow to OHC's value.

shuvc · 20th February 2006, 11:42

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Originally Posted by devarshi84

Well considering the OTR values lets not forget that Baleno used to cost a bomb sometime ago. The price for
OHC 1.5 was highest
Lancer glx and baleno were somewhat the same

Hence this would be a blow to OHC's value.

True, I'm not debating on which car has lost more resale value here.

I'm just saying that when we debate on that topic, we should mention which model year we are talking about and the prevailing OTR prices then. That will give a clearer picture.

In this topic the comparison is between Baleno and the SFX. I think even pre-2003 new Balenos used to cost around 8 to 8.5 L OTR. Didn't the SFX cost 10 L + ?

sunith · 20th February 2006, 12:55

no news on the sonata yet
i have asked automart to send me the owner details but no response
no details are mentioned on the site as well
god knows why i thought it was from Mum.
anyways ... so the thing has boiled down to a car for my dad
and from what i see everybody seems to suggest the lancer INVECS

adityapd · 20th February 2006, 14:45

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Originally Posted by sunith

no news on the sonata yet
i have asked automart to send me the owner details but no response
no details are mentioned on the site as well
god knows why i thought it was from Mum.
anyways ... so the thing has boiled down to a car for my dad
and from what i see everybody seems to suggest the lancer INVECS

to the best of my knowledge the automart india site is an open market place available for all...so the car mentioned on the site may not be ncecessarily available at automart.

The asking price of the sonata you mentioned is 4.5 L in Mumbai....there might have been a typo or else something seriously wrong with the car...beware !!!

~A

v1p3r · 20th February 2006, 17:47

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Originally Posted by sunith

and from what i see everybody seems to suggest the lancer INVECS

I would STILL suggest another Baleno. Nothing personal against the Invecs, but the gearbox is a little complicated. Any service issues and you will be left high and dry. If you are in the second-hand market, you could try the last-gen Accord, or the Sonata would always be a decent buy. An Elantra CRDi is also available real cheap, as is the petrol Elantra. Both are guaranteed to put a smile on the driver's face!

devarshi84 · 21st February 2006, 02:10

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Originally Posted by sunith

no news on the sonata yet
i have asked automart to send me the owner details but no response
and from what i see everybody seems to suggest the lancer INVECS

2.5 for a sonata is a guranteed typo or some fraud.

FOr the lancer I suggested the lancer invecs because of the powerful engine with the tiptronic is hard to resist. The 1.5 is still the most refined and smooth engine in the segment and give FE at par.

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

I would STILL suggest another Baleno. Nothing personal against the Invecs, but the gearbox is a little complicated. Any service issues and you will be left high and dry. If you are in the second-hand market, you could try the last-gen Accord, or the Sonata would always be a decent buy. An Elantra CRDi is also available real cheap, as is the petrol Elantra. Both are guaranteed to put a smile on the driver's face!

Invecs gearbox......complicated???? There is some serious misunderstanding my friend. Two slots in the gearbox. One for normal automatic and one for manual. Slot left for manual or right for automatic depending on your mood.

An accord or sonata cannot be had for 4.5 in a good condition. Even a good mondeo costs 6-7lacs.

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Originally Posted by shuvc

In this topic the comparison is between Baleno and the SFX. I think even pre-2003 new Balenos used to cost around 8 to 8.5 L OTR. Didn't the SFX cost 10 L + ?

Lancer sfx was never supposed to compete with Baleno. Baleno was competing in the market with lancer glxi.

sunith · 21st February 2006, 08:03

Ok the search is on for a LAncer INVECS or Sonata or Elantra in the range 4-4.5l...
thanks a lot guys for helping
will get back once i call that Sonata guy
...the car's in Delhi itseems

Samurai · 21st February 2006, 09:23

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Originally Posted by devarshi84

Invecs gearbox......complicated???? There is some serious misunderstanding my friend. Two slots in the gearbox. One for normal automatic and one for manual. Slot left for manual or right for automatic depending on your mood.

Dude, he is referring to what's inside. Most service center guys in India are quite ignorant when it comes to auto transmission, now Invecs go one step further, clutchless gearshift.

adityapd · 21st February 2006, 10:02

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Originally Posted by sunith

Ok the search is on for a LAncer INVECS or Sonata or Elantra in the range 4-4.5l...
thanks a lot guys for helping
will get back once i call that Sonata guy
...the car's in Delhi itseems

Sunith,

these are the details of the sonata from the autocarsite u were referring to :

Vehicle Details
Manufacturer : Hyundai
Model : Sonata Gold (Air Bag)
Color : Metalic Grey
Year of manufacture : 2000
Expected Price : 250000
Mileage : 45160
City : Delhi
Location : Bhikaji Cama
Registered City : Delhi
Posted date : 19/02/2006
Seating Capacity : 5
Number Of Gears : 4
Brake Types : Vaccumn
Life Long Registration Paid : Yes
Warranty : No

Additional Details:
Insurance Paid : Comprehensive
Tax Paid : Yes
Registration # : 7953
Fuel Type : Petrol
Air Condition : Yes
UV Film : Yes
Centralised Locking : Yes
Music System : Yes
Power Steering : Yes
Automatic Window : Yes
Number Of Cylinders : 6
Radial Tyres : Yes

The model specified is 2000 whereas the sonata was officially launched by Hyundai in India in 2001. So probably this car is a direct import by the owner.
U need to be careful and check the import docs carefully for evasion of duty etc, if you want to take this deal forward.

Also, the number of engines is specified is 6 which is available on a v6 and not on a sonata Gold. Unless this is a typo, I surely do smell something fishy in this deal.

~A

Godfather · 21st February 2006, 10:06

A V6 for 2.5L.. thats definately a steal but check it out before you process any further and finalize the deal..

devarshi84 · 21st February 2006, 11:35

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Originally Posted by adityapd

Sunith,

these are the details of the sonata from the autocarsite u were referring to :

Vehicle Details
Manufacturer : Hyundai
Model : Sonata Gold (Air Bag)
Color : Metalic Grey
Year of manufacture : 2000
Expected Price : 250000
Mileage : 45160
City : Delhi
Location : Bhikaji Cama
Registered City : Delhi
Posted date : 19/02/2006
Seating Capacity : 5
Number Of Gears : 4
Brake Types : Vaccumn
Life Long Registration Paid : Yes
Warranty : No

Additional Details:
Insurance Paid : Comprehensive
Tax Paid : Yes
Registration # : 7953
Fuel Type : Petrol
Air Condition : Yes
UV Film : Yes
Centralised Locking : Yes
Music System : Yes
Power Steering : Yes
Automatic Window : Yes
Number Of Cylinders : 6
Radial Tyres : Yes

The model specified is 2000 whereas the sonata was officially launched by Hyundai in India in 2001. So probably this car is a direct import by the owner.
U need to be careful and check the import docs carefully for evasion of duty etc, if you want to take this deal forward.

Also, the number of engines is specified is 6 which is available on a v6 and not on a sonata Gold. Unless this is a typo, I surely do smell something fishy in this deal.

~A

Here it says the location is BHikaji Cama. Is that some hotel car which is up for sale?

A v6 for 2.5 is sure fishy. number of gears is 4 hence its surely the automatic v6 for sale.

I would stay away from this deal. Even if the car is sold in spares separately the owner can easily get that price.

Let me know what prices you get for an invecs. I am looking to go ahead with modfying a lancer invecs or a contessa.

20th February 2006, 12:55	#52
sunith BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 68 Thanked: 0 Times	no news on the sonata yet i have asked automart to send me the owner details but no response no details are mentioned on the site as well god knows why i thought it was from Mum. anyways ... so the thing has boiled down to a car for my dad and from what i see everybody seems to suggest the lancer INVECS
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21st February 2006, 08:03	#56
sunith BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 68 Thanked: 0 Times	Ok the search is on for a LAncer INVECS or Sonata or Elantra in the range 4-4.5l... thanks a lot guys for helping will get back once i call that Sonata guy ...the car's in Delhi itseems
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Godfather Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore / Atlanta Posts: 1,387 Thanked: 70 Times View My Garage	A V6 for 2.5L.. thats definately a steal but check it out before you process any further and finalize the deal..
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