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22nd June 2017, 12:21 | #136 |
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| Re: In search of a new car. EDIT: 6-12 lakh budget
I wish they had the VX CVT, would have been a no brainer. Honda is charging a premium, the VX iDTec is a good 1.5L premium over the Zest XT QJD or Aspire T+ TDCi (which at present are the front runners). Its also dangerously close to S-Cross 1.3 Zeta in terms of pricing which I liked a lot more than the Jazz. Also my nearest Honda showroom experience was pretty sad, the VW showroom of the same group was stellar. The latter followed up with a test drive, the former didn't even bother to share a price list (facepalm). The distinctive USP is the magic seats. Pedal vibrations on the diesel is definitely a bother, especially for long distance runs. Am not sure, I can make a judgement of it in a 20 odd minute test drive. Is Honda City diesel a direct comparison? The reason I am asking is, City diesel is available on Zoomcar rental. The current interiors a lot better, it was what they should have had from day 1. Practicality and safety equipment wise its way ahead of the other candidates (save for the Aspire diesel, which has 6-airbags). The NCAP rating for the 2014 version are encouraging too, the rating should be lot better for the current version with side reinforcements, 3 3-point seat belt at rear and ISOFIX mounts. If not anything, child safety would be a lot better. The powerplant has never been a complaint. My only doubt was the ride quality comparison to Zest. It would depend whether better half likes the looks (her job is vetting them looks ) Last edited by narayans80 : 22nd June 2017 at 12:28. |
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22nd June 2017, 13:39 | #137 | |
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| Re: In search of a new car. EDIT: 6-12 lakh budget You have mention that the purchase will be in Q3/Q4. Quite a few things are changing in the industry till that time. Quote:
S-Cross facelift shall also be coming sometime in Q4. The car has not changed much in the interior or mechanically and you might get some good deals currently. The Zeta in my opinion is one of the best priced cars under 10 lakhs. Another car that's expected to arrive at that time is the Nexon. Of the current crop, I would choose the S-Cross Zeta seeing your usage. You might want to look at Vento TDI DSG too, instead of the TSI considering your running. I would also recommend you to look at Aspire Titanium. Its very well kitted and has good offers going around for it, making it a very good value for money. | |
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22nd June 2017, 16:02 | #138 |
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| Re: In search of a new car. EDIT: 6-12 lakh budget
My Suggestion: 1. Body Style: Compact SUV. Seems most of your trips are with the family and hence drives would be more sedate rather than spirited. A high driving position inspires much more confidence, especially on our roads. 2. Fuel: Diesel. An average of 2k miles per month does call for a diesel motor. 3. Transmission: MT. As your commute/city miles are low and trip miles are high, a manual makes much more sense even though an auto tranny does make life much easier. This would be a case of practicality vs luxury. And in case you are more inclined towards luxury then I would suggest you commit fully and go for a proper torque converter auto rather than the AMT. 4. Cars: Duster or Terrano seems to fit your bill perfectly with great ride quality and decent styling. You could also get a fair bit of discounts on these too. The negatives being an aging design and the recent issues with built quality and air bag size. Apart from that Ecosport should be a safe option too. This would be miles ahead of a sedan like Swift Dzire in terms of built quality and sheer driveability. |
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22nd June 2017, 23:43 | #140 | |
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| Re: In search of a new car. EDIT: 6-12 lakh budget Quote:
Depending on your running, you may consider S-Cross sigma diesel which would go close to 10 lakh on road, but again should have some decent discounts running on it, particularly the last week before GST. | |
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23rd June 2017, 01:14 | #142 | ||
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| Re: In search of a new car. EDIT: 6-12 lakh budget Quote:
Nothing wrong with the Verna, but there's already one in the near family. Don't want to be another. With Vento I wish upfront cost was much lower. Its a higher risk proposition with the DQ 200 under the hood. Am not sure its wise with an upfront intention of long term ownership. There's hardly any visibility on the Nexon launch dates at the moment. Am not sure if Tata has Q4 2017 or Q1 2018 in mind. Having followed Hexa early this year, the first deliveries were a good 1.5 months from launch at the minimum. This would be my primary runner and I don't patience to wait that long Quote:
Two words: Waiting time! Its the same reason, why Baleno and now the Dzire are low on my priority. Besides, I like the S-Cross' mature looks better. Last edited by narayans80 : 23rd June 2017 at 01:20. | ||
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23rd June 2017, 01:30 | #143 | |
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| Re: In search of a new car. EDIT: 6-12 lakh budget Quote:
Which leaves the Ciaz ... a favourite at home. Supposedly less comfortable rear seat & price difference against the Platinum Etios which has a better engine, makes it a less logical choice. What came closest to my choice was the.Ertiga, which loses out on safety but has a good engine. Again, the price difference against the Platinum Etios isn't helping. Last edited by yatin : 23rd June 2017 at 01:36. | |
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11th July 2017, 23:56 | #144 |
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| With a Hyundai Verna in the Garage, Which Car to Buy Next? Hello. I’m an interior designer in the medium-sized but extremely congested city, Siliguri. We are a family of six, and my wife and I just had a baby recently. We have a Hyundai Santro from 2001 (yes, really) and a Verna we bought in 2012 that’s done about 50,000 kilometres so far. We’d almost finalised the automatic version in the SX (O) trim but my father prevailed over me at the last minute and we ended up buying the manual variant instead, which I have regretted ever since. I have a full time driver and am being chauffeured around 90% of the time I am in the car, but it drives me crazy to manoeuvre the car around (with its notchy gearbox and stiff clutch with a long range of travel) in start-and-stop traffic whenever I have to take the wheel. I love driving and enjoy myself tremendously when I get to take the 1.6 litre diesel motor out on the highway on the rare weekend, but I would happily sacrifice that for the comfort of my legs in city traffic. I currently have a running of about 20,000 kilometres annually, spread over the two cars, with the bulk of it being handled by the Verna. We’re planning to sell the Santro at some point in 2018, but plans of this nature have been made regularly for the past three years, with nothing having come of it. We’re gonna get ₹50,000 for it whenever we sell it, so we might as well keep the workhorse around until we can. There’s also an emotional attachment to the well aged automobile within the household. We’re looking to buy a new car within this year, irrespective of whether we sell the Santro or not. The Verna has a beauty of an engine and is an absolute pleasure to drive. If you have not experienced flooring the accelerator on a 2011 Verna, you should definitely give it a shot. However, once you’re past 100 KM per hour, the driving dynamics of the car make it jittery and nervous around corners and over speed bumps, as is well known around these parts. It is also an expensive car to maintain. More importantly, the low height, sunken rear seats are taxing on my 5'-11" frame and I find myself sitting in an uncomfortable knees-up position most of the time, though the acres of legroom, well designed hand-rests and pleasant interiors offset some of the discomfort. The low seats are even more discomfiting for my parents, so this is something the new car has to do better. Given these issues, we initially thought of selling the Verna for ₹6.5 lac, the Santro for ₹50,000 (at which prices we’d already found buyers), adding ₹15 lac on top and buying two new cars as replacements. I’d shortlisted the Renault Duster CVT and Honda Jazz CVT / Maruti Suzuki DZire AGS as potential buys. However, just when we were about to start executing this plan, we received a lot of friendly advice that we were spending a ton of money to switch to cars that were far less luxurious, both in terms of market perception and in terms of overall fit and finish. This advice echoed our own thinking, so we put that plan on hold, turned down the buyers we’d found and here I am, looking for advice. I figured that we should keep the Verna and make it the standby vehicle. This means that I will almost never have to drive it myself in city traffic (and it’s fine if I sometimes end up having to) but its driving qualities will still be there to enjoy on a long trip away from home. Plus, since it will have to put on far fewer kilometres going forward, its maintenance and upkeep costs will become more palatable. And we get to keep the lambi gaadi which is such an important metric for people to judge each other by in India. If I were to keep the Verna and buy a new (third) car within this year, which one should it be? Please help me out.
When we bought the Verna, and before that when my father the Santro, we never even considered Maruti Suzuki cars. We are not keen on owning a car that the whole world has. However, after having considered and test driven a bunch of cars—including the City (CVT), Duster (110 PS diesel manual), DZire (AGS), EcoSport (1.5 litre DCT), Figo (1.2 litre petrol manual), Jazz (CVT) and S-Cross (1.3 litre)—I’ve so far decided on the S-Cross. I really like the looks of the upcoming 2017 version and it is pretty much a lock that a petrol variant will be on offer in three months’ time, which my father wants. I am fine with diesel too, but he is sure that our Verna suffers from high maintenance charges because of the diesel mill, so he wants the next one to be a petrol burner. The potential problems with the S-Cross, though, are that it entails a wait of at least three months and there is a high likelihood that Maruti Suzuki won’t offer an automatic transmission to my liking (CVTs are terrible), if it does at all. It also most likely will not put the automatic transmission on the top-spec trim, which can be a deal killer for me. Leather seats or no deal. Phew! This has become way too lengthy. I guess what I’m ultimately asking is: have we made the right decision by deciding to wait for a petrol automatic S-Cross, or are there any cars we are overlooking that we can go out and buy today? Or should be change our entire plan and go for some other combination somehow that will make more sense for us? I’d love to here from you. Thanks. |
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12th July 2017, 01:23 | #145 |
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| Re: With a Hyundai Verna in the Garage, Which Car to Buy Next? I would recommend Vento TDI DSG after selling Verna. Yes, you have mentioned having a petrol preference but petrol automatic running 1250 km per month would burn quite a hole in your pocket in 10 months. Vento is fascinating to drive and the combination of auto gearbox and diesel engine is wonderful. Its interiors are very classy too. It gives you driving quality of Verna, along with the convenience. Another option would be to sell Verna and replace it with the to be launched Verna. Yes, it would be a lateral move, but expect it to still be a significant upgrade. The C segment sedans have moved a notch up in quality and are closer to D segment sedans. I wouldn't wait for S-Cross automatic considering the Ciaz AT is 11 lakhs ex-showroom. S-Cross automatic would cost around 12.5 lakhs ex-showroom, and its launch is not guaranteed either. If you want to keep the Verna, then an ideal car would be Nexon automatic. Expect great value pricing launching in August. Again this will be a diesel automatic should provide ideal match between convenience and cost-effectiveness. |
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12th July 2017, 02:03 | #146 | |
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| Re: With a Hyundai Verna in the Garage, Which Car to Buy Next? Quote:
Since you are looking at keeping the car for a decade, it wouldn't make sense to buy a DSG or a DCT equipped cars since they are known to be much less reliable than standard torque converter units. CVT is a decent option for city driving but you would hate it out on the open roads. Hence, it is the Creta which makes the most sense out of the current cars. The S-Cross is a good option too provided you can wait until the fag end of this year. By then, you can decide which one suits you better, the S-Cross or the Creta. For your running, a petrol car seems to be ideal. A nice car which is launching pretty soon is the Nexon but I just don't have the courage to recommend buying a brand new Tata car to anyone and become their guinea pig (no offence to owners, but noticed this over the years). Hope this helps. Cheers! | |
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| Re: With a Hyundai Verna in the Garage, Which Car to Buy Next? Quote:
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As for the price relative to the Ciaz, the current on-road price of the Ciaz Zeta in Siliguri is ₹12.2 lac and for the Alpha variant ₹13 lac. The 1.3 litre S-Cross is priced at ₹10.5 lac for the Zeta trim and ₹12 lac for the Alpha. Even the far superior 1.6 litre version is only priced ₹30,000 over the Ciaz Alpha. Given that the Ciaz Petrol Alpha AT is priced at ₹11.9 lac, I don’t see why the S-Cross (which is generally ₹ 1 – 1.7 lac cheaper than the Ciaz), even in an updated version, should cross the ₹12 lac mark. Am I missing something? Quote:
The Tata Nexon is something I have not considered because it seems to be trying too hard. I want a suave looking vehicle, not something trying to look like an SUV aimed for a younger audience. However, I’ll give it a serious thought. Quote:
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12th July 2017, 13:48 | #148 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: With a Hyundai Verna in the Garage, Which Car to Buy Next? It's a tough predicament. As much as we would like to believe so, the options available in this segment are few and with compromises. If you want AT - the Creta is actually the best all rounder for your requirements - especially in diesel trim. The ride and handling is much improved over the Verna, and the car is quite comfortable too! The S Cross is an excellent option, but no comments till the petrol AT is actually launched here. Would you consider a low mileage, within warranty pre-owned option such as a Toyota Corolla? Sell the Verna and pick this up, and later when you sell the Santro - get a new cross over that has an AT option? |
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12th July 2017, 14:04 | #149 |
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| Re: With a Hyundai Verna in the Garage, Which Car to Buy Next? That sounds like a plan. What would I gain in switching from the Verna to a Corolla, if I were to do it? And where would I find such a car? I can definitely wait till Diwali. I just wanted to post this thread now and gain some insights so I am not waiting in vain. |
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12th July 2017, 14:50 | #150 |
Team-BHP Support | Re: With a Hyundai Verna in the Garage, Which Car to Buy Next? Ayush, do remember that roads up in hills and the NH-31/34 deteriorate rapidly in the monsoon, pick a slightly raised car. I don't exactly have anything in mind as yet, but XUV in AT trim would be a good bet as well. |
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