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Old 5th October 2020, 12:04   #1
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Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

The Rapid 1.0 TSI is a surely a VFM package and a FTD car in its segment. However, the premium that Skoda is charging on a TC box, is somewhat in the territory of a DSG. Given this, does it make sense to look out a pre-worshiped Octavia/Jetta TDI AT?

There are some good examples of the 2015-2016 Octavia with anywhere between 40-70k on the odo being listed for around 11.5-13.5 lakhs. Likewise, though few, there are some Jettas available too around the 11-12 lakh mark with around 60-70k on the odo. The Rapid Ambition/Onyx comes in this range at present with the Style and MonteCarlo AT variants around 15 lakhs. The buyer would get more car for the same price and the savings of a diesel too. The Octavia would be a more FTD car than the rapid along with the DSG and the DQ250 is comparatively trouble free too. Specifically leaving out the Octavia TSI owing to the DQ200

What are your thoughts on this?
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re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

Completely depends on the condition of the car and personal preferences. Most would like a new car i.e. Rapid TSI and few others may like to go for the pre-owned higher segment car. Between Octavia/ Jetta and Rapid, I would recommend you to stick to manual transmission. Just a week ago a friend picked up a 2014 Jetta 1.4 MT which had been driven only 13300 KMs for 3.3 Lakhs (I know, steal deal!) He shall be investing few more thousands to make it to his liking and the car is good for another 5-7 years.
It all depends on the deal you strike on the pre owned Octavia / Jetta. These days cars are getting expensive however pre-owned ones are getting relatively cheaper. Find a well maintained Jetta 1.4 MT for 5-6L and you shall be happier than the 1.0 TSI of Rapid.

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re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

I assume you have the bandwidth and know good mechanics for maintenance as you’re choosing between 3 VAG cars.

Given a chance, I’d buy used Jetta/Octavia over a Rapid for the simple fact that it is simply a segment higher and much better engineered product. Read superior ride (due to the suspension), NVH, build quality, and much more.

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re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

I'd any day pick used Jetta DSG if the price and condition of the car is good. I mentioned specifically Jetta because it comes with additional benefit of multi link suspension coupled with superior DSG gb(DQ250). And ofcourse it's got that sweet 2ltr diesel unit with great potential- all you need is a simple remap. All the best!

PS: while getting my Verna, the other strong contender was a used Jetta DSG. But the used car pricing is a joke here in Bangalore. And i don't wanted get the DQ200 after reading multiple failure stories.
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re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

Nothing like a well maintained Jetta DSG TDI. Well maintained cars are hard to come by and spares will be hard to get in the future. Also you need a VAG specialist to service your car for any issue.

If the above issues are ok, please go ahead with a Jetta!

The Octavia petrol comes with the DQ200 gearbox and the diesel has the inferior torsion beam rear suspension set up. Thus,I don't recommend the Octavia.
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re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

I think the answer to your question is one word - WARRANTY!

Its a bad idea to own a Skoda / VW with DSG in out of warranty period in my view. The new car will give you upto 4/5 years of peaceful ownership.
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re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

The simple answer to your question lies within whether you are ready to go ahead. For buying VAG cars like the Octavia or Jetta, you'll have to be sure of a reputed FNG with the proper equipment. Also, if possible look out for cars within Warranty (even extended) and with Service Packs. Post-facelift Octavias should be worth around 16.5-19L in top-spec L&K or Style form. This allows you to service the car at Skoda itself and even extend the warranty if needed.

A few general tips:-

- When buying an used European car, it's preferable to do a PPI at an authorized SC or FNG.
- Ensure you TD the car to ensure that there are no significant issues with the Gearbox & Engine.
- Also, with Octavias/Jettas look out for cars with low-mileage (not more than 35k and newer cars well within their warranty periods.)

Happy shopping!
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Re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

If you have access to a good independent shop, are fine with some Euro-car complaints & prepared to spend more on maintenance, then it has to be a pre-owned Jetta or Octavia (in that order). You are getting a newer model (Rapid is based on a 2009 car) and something that is vastly superior in terms of premium'ness, engineering, space etc.

On the other hand, if you don't want Euro-car headaches and a simpler ownership, get the new Rapid AT with a long warranty.

All depends on your risk appetite. I would personally go for a pre-owned Jetta / Octavia 2.0 TDI.
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Re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

I picked up a pre-owned Jetta DSG two years ago and I've had no reason to not recommend it to others looking for a Rapid/Vento. Jetta is so much more car for 13-14L compared to a Rapid/Vento or City.

Since most cars will now be 3-4 years old, apart form routine service check if the following have works are done:
  • DSG gear oil at 60k or 4 years whichever is earlier
  • Water pump
  • ABS sensor
If not factor in around 30k for water pump+DSG gear oil and around 5k+ labour for ABS sensor. Tyres will cost around 35k if you go for Michelin Primacy 4ST or little more if you opt for Pilot Sport which is now available in stock 205/50 R16 size.

If you get a car which doesn't have the pointless VW campaign done (detuned due to emissions scandal) consider yourself very lucky.
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Re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

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Since most cars will now be 3-4 years old, apart form routine service check if the following have works are done:
  • DSG gear oil at 60k or 4 years whichever is earlier
  • Water pump
  • ABS sensor
If not factor in around 30k for water pump+DSG gear oil and around 5k+ labour for ABS sensor.
If the Jetta is under warranty then he may be able to extend it for another few years. If not then will you still suggest going in for the DSG? Whatever read and heard of DSG, the repair cost is minimum 1.5 Lakhs. Apart from the water pump, ABS and gear oil, this shall also be kept in consideration.
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Old 5th October 2020, 22:53   #11
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My current car is a preowned 2011 Jetta. When I got it it had 100k on its odo with a bad fly wheel. Picked it up nevertheless. Replaced the fly wheel and changed the tires to Yokohama Earth-1. Good as new. I just love it. For me it's Jetta if it's diesel and Octavia if it's petrol. Simple as that. Go for Jetta. Make sure you have a reliable FNG. Don't even think of taking it to VW service center if it's out of warranty.
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Re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

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If the Jetta is under warranty then he may be able to extend it for another few years. If not then will you still suggest going in for the DSG? Whatever read and heard of DSG, the repair cost is minimum 1.5 Lakhs. Apart from the water pump, ABS and gear oil, this shall also be kept in consideration.

For a 3/4 year old Jetta to be under warranty the owner should have purchased extended warranty, if OP can find such a car its great.

If the car is not under warranty, do I still suggest a Jetta DSG ? Yes!
The DSG failures are mainly with the dry-type DQ200 box, Jetta uses DQ250 rated for 400nm torque if i'm not wrong. The only failure I've come across on the forum of the DQ250 was on a Laura owned by a moderator.

No failures on Jetta and my SA told me there's one car which has clocked over 2 lakhs km and all that was done was regular DSG gear oil change. I wouldn't have believed him if not for this ad I came across when searching for a car myself.

Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?-tempfileforshare_20180714224248.jpg

However, no car is free from failure so one would do well to shift to N when at signals or stuck in long-traffic jams to prevent the gearbox from heating up excessively.

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Re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

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All depends on your risk appetite.
Agree with this. If you buy a used Jetta/Octavia instead of a new Rapid then you are getting a bigger car for the same money, but at the same time it will be an older car. And if is a high mileage example, be prepared to shell out bigger bucks for parts.
If you plan to keep the car for a long time (around 10 yrs), I suggest a brand new Rapid. It will offer (relative) peace of mind compared to a 70k km run Octavia.
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Re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

There literally is no comparison between the Jetta and Rapid. I speak this, having both 2013 Jetta and 2017 Vento, both manual transmission at home for quite a while.

The Jetta is just superior. Way superior. The drive, ride quality, steering, torque, acceleration, braking, NVH, lighting and paint quality. You name a character and it's simply better in the Jetta. Even the sound quality is better, though the head unit is older. Our Jetta had done 60k, driven by two drivers - mostly my dad and the second is me. It still drives better than my 23k run Vento. If we had to let go of a car to buy a new car, I'd prefer to keep the Jetta .

Well, of course, with the Jetta, you'd always need to keep ₹40k~60k ready for any unexpected repair. We, for example,

1. had to replace all four door handle latches one after another as the lock would go kaput spontaneously. Each costed 10k.

2. Had to replace the timing belt and water pump since the water pump had an issue and the coolant leaked onto the timing belt. That repair costed around 30~35k.

3. Had to replace the radiator fan since it wouldn't turn off at all, even after the car was switched off, thus draining the battery. That costed around ₹20k.

All these popped up once in 2~3 years or so. But hey, the drive it provides justifies all these expenses. If you felt Rapid/Vento is a solid tank, then Jetta will completely change your definition of a tank.
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Re: Used Octavia / Jetta TDI AT versus a new Skoda Rapid TSI AT?

I can't comment on the automatic versions of Jetta, but my manual Jetta has clocked about 160,000 kms in 6 years and still gives me a grin everytime I drive it. Infact, I love the Jetta so much that I am having a really hard time finding a car to upgrade to.

Through this journey, it's been fairly reliable without any major issues.
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