8L budget - Which car?

lamborghini · 20th July 2007, 17:08

Hey guys,
I know there are lots of threads on this but i couldn't find my answer in them so I have created a new thread.
Now, coming to the topic, my brother owns a Getz 1.3 and is really happy with this car.
His previous car was a Santro Xing and before that, another Santro.
Now, he is looking for a Diesel car, which may or may not replace his Getz.
His Budget is around 8L and requirements are as follows -
- Good FE. The main reason he is looking for a diesel car is because his daily running is close to 80km in the city and the 'highways' and the occasional outstation trip to say Mahabaleshwar or Pune.
There MAY be a need to travel to Pune also once/twice a week but after a year or two.
- A trunk though this is not a necessity, he would like to have one as he carries quite a few things.
- Resale Value - He plans to keep the car for 3 years though that may increase to 5 years at the most.
- Good ride and Handling - He drives on self most of the time and he has a family of 4, which includes his mother who is in her mid 60's.
- Easy to Drive - the car will also be used by his wife if he sells the Getz. Also, he drives in heavy traffic and keep in mind that this is his first sedan after around 9 years.
- Cheap to maintain - the reason he is looking to buy a Diesel car is to cut down his costs. However, he doesn't want to pay a bomb each time he gets it serviced. Also, spare parts should be cheap.

The options are -
Ford Fiesta D EXi @ 8.29L.
Anyone have any idea what discounts are available? I checked with Shaman and am only getting an MP3 player free.
He has driven our fiesta and is very impressed with the car.

Hyundai Verna CRDi @ 8.76.
Same discounts as Fiesta. No loyalty bonus.
He has owned many Hyundai's and is more comfortable with them. Could fellow Verna users share their service costs please.

Also guys, any idea when the Fiesta 1.6D is going to come out?

From what i have understood, the only advantage the Verna has over the Fiesta is that it is much more powerful and spacious. Also the Hyundai A.S.S is much more superior to that of Ford's.
However, the fiesta is more FE and a better handler and has better build quality and is much better VFM.
Thanks Guys.

GTO · 20th July 2007, 17:21

So basically he is going to drive a diesel car for an 8 lac price? The Fiesta it is for him. Very nice to drive, the engine feels more powerful than it is and the car has a well-sorted ride / handling combo. About the A.S.S., Shaman pretty much does the job.

The Verna is more powerful. But its pretty boring to drive.

shuvc · 20th July 2007, 17:24

Is the Fusion Diesel cheaper than the 1.4 Fiesta ?

Even though you/he feels that the Fiesta is more VFM, I'd still say go for the Verna.

With a running of approx 2000kms per month, in 4 years time the car will have run 1L kms. With such high running, I personally would like to have peace of mind, that the A.S.S. will be dependable.

coolsats · 20th July 2007, 17:40

Dude just close your eyes and go for Verna.
Took the test drive for the car man, and its awsomely powerfull.
Put it on 2nd or 3 rd gear, and it flies man.

gemithomas · 20th July 2007, 17:42

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Originally Posted by lamborghini

Hey guys,
- Cheap to maintain - the reason he is looking to buy a Diesel car is to cut down his costs. However, he doesn't want to pay a bomb each time he gets it serviced. Also, spare parts should be cheap.

I thought this would surely through the ford out of the window. Once you are out of warranty you are doomed and if at all you get into some trouble you are on your own. There are a few threads on this forum itself that would tell you how good ford is with their service.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamborghini

Hey guys,
- Good FE. .
- A trunk
- Resale Value
- Good ride and Handling -
- Easy to Drive.

........and now we realize why ford can easily get away with this bad customer friendliness. Just because we dont have much options in india!!!!

vkochar · 20th July 2007, 17:46

Go for the Hyundai Verna - more exciting to drive , Fiesta no doubt more FE but if your brother has been a Hyundai Loyal - then why not continue it

1.6 is not near right now as sale of 1.4 is doing good at the moment. They'll bring it once sales dip, which is not happening anytime soon !! All the better for Ford.

Verna does drive like a dream, driven it quite a lot.

Rtech · 20th July 2007, 17:47

If you are going for the verna, make sure you get the optional lock for the driveshafts

scooby05 · 20th July 2007, 17:53

How much is the fiesta TDCI?

Eddy · 20th July 2007, 17:58

A Ford will not fulfill his want of cheap maintainance and good resale value. So Hyundai might be a better bet in this case.

lamborghini · 20th July 2007, 19:32

@GTO,
thats the first thing that came to my mind and my brother loves our car. He's driven it for arund a 1Kkm at the very least and that includes a trip to Pune and in and around the city.

@shuvc
I personally thought the build quality of the Verna was flimsy. Also, the ford A.S.S in Mumbai is quite good.

@coolsats
I love the Verna's engine but am scared about the chassis and brakes.

@scooby
I have mentioned the price of the Fiesta TDCi in my first post. It's 8.29L OTR Mumbai.

@RT
That and a few accident threads seriously scared me.

Guys,
after reading a lot of threads and personal experience this is what i think of each car -

Fiesta -
Pros -
- Good FE (we ourselves are getting 14 in Mumbai traffic)
- Amazing refinement
- Good build quality
- Amazing handling and manouverability. My driver was going on and on about how easy the car is to handle in city traffic.
- Amazing stability. Those who have seen my gallery or have read my long term review on the fiesta will remember a pic of our car's speedo showing 175kmph. The car was amazingly stable then.
- It has that special feeling.

Cons -
- It is a bit crampy for its price
- Has really small niggling problems (refer to long term review)
- Spare parts expensive - though we have never experienced such a problem.
- The engine, though amazingly refined is quite sluggish, but is something only felt on the highways. In my daily drive to Juhu from Cuffe Parade, we (as in my driver) never felt that problem but i could make out that it was a bit sluggish on the expressway.

Now for the Verna CRDi
Pros -
- Amazing engine - but my brother won't rip. He is a family man now.
- roomy and good ride quality
- Good A.S.S
- Cheap services and parts - can a Verna owner please comment on this?

Cons -
- I didn't like the interiors in the base CRDi
- Not too stable at high speeds
- Not as reliable as previous Hyundais
- Not the best handler
- POOR BRAKES!
- Expensive to buy. There's a 45K difference in the price.

Now given my brother's requirements, i have marked which car IMHO is best for each criteria -
- Good FE - Fiesta
- A trunk - Verna and Fiesta
- Resale Value - Verna
- Good ride and Handling - Fiesta
- Easy to Drive - Fiesta
- Cheap to maintain - Verna

So can people please help me out and point out if i have gone wrong anywhere in this post.
Cheers and a big thanks

hellspawn · 21st July 2007, 02:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rtech

If you are going for the verna, make sure you get the optional lock for the driveshafts

what is the "optional lock"? i didn't get it??

@lamborghini- i think the fiesta might be a little cramped for 4 people if you compare it with the Verna

hellspawn · 21st July 2007, 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooby05

How much is the fiesta TDCI?

Lamborghini mentioned it in his first post! its 8.29L.cheaper than the Verna by 47K.

Rehaan · 21st July 2007, 05:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellspawn

what is the "optional lock"? i didn't get it??

Lol, it was a forum joke. See this

cya
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lamborghini · 21st July 2007, 12:44

@hellspawn,
the car will be mainly driven by my bro or his wife, with his mom and daughter, who is 4 sitting in it occasionaly.
I don't think space is a major criteria atleast right now.

karty_83 · 22nd July 2007, 03:53

He should go for the FIESTA eyes closed if maintainence is not the deciding criteria. I came across an article where in its stated that the FORD spare parts would cost significantly lower very soon owing to its new chennai plant.

20th July 2007, 17:08	#1
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,112 Thanked: 5,760 Times View My Garage	8L budget - Which car? Hey guys, I know there are lots of threads on this but i couldn't find my answer in them so I have created a new thread. Now, coming to the topic, my brother owns a Getz 1.3 and is really happy with this car. His previous car was a Santro Xing and before that, another Santro. Now, he is looking for a Diesel car, which may or may not replace his Getz. His Budget is around 8L and requirements are as follows - - Good FE. The main reason he is looking for a diesel car is because his daily running is close to 80km in the city and the 'highways' and the occasional outstation trip to say Mahabaleshwar or Pune. There MAY be a need to travel to Pune also once/twice a week but after a year or two. - A trunk though this is not a necessity, he would like to have one as he carries quite a few things. - Resale Value - He plans to keep the car for 3 years though that may increase to 5 years at the most. - Good ride and Handling - He drives on self most of the time and he has a family of 4, which includes his mother who is in her mid 60's. - Easy to Drive - the car will also be used by his wife if he sells the Getz. Also, he drives in heavy traffic and keep in mind that this is his first sedan after around 9 years. - Cheap to maintain - the reason he is looking to buy a Diesel car is to cut down his costs. However, he doesn't want to pay a bomb each time he gets it serviced. Also, spare parts should be cheap. The options are - Ford Fiesta D EXi @ 8.29L. Anyone have any idea what discounts are available? I checked with Shaman and am only getting an MP3 player free. He has driven our fiesta and is very impressed with the car. Hyundai Verna CRDi @ 8.76. Same discounts as Fiesta. No loyalty bonus. He has owned many Hyundai's and is more comfortable with them. Could fellow Verna users share their service costs please. Also guys, any idea when the Fiesta 1.6D is going to come out? From what i have understood, the only advantage the Verna has over the Fiesta is that it is much more powerful and spacious. Also the Hyundai A.S.S is much more superior to that of Ford's. However, the fiesta is more FE and a better handler and has better build quality and is much better VFM. Thanks Guys.
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20th July 2007, 17:21	#2
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,493 Thanked: 300,295 Times View My Garage	So basically he is going to drive a diesel car for an 8 lac price? The Fiesta it is for him. Very nice to drive, the engine feels more powerful than it is and the car has a well-sorted ride / handling combo. About the A.S.S., Shaman pretty much does the job. The Verna is more powerful. But its pretty boring to drive. Last edited by GTO : 20th July 2007 at 17:22.
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20th July 2007, 17:24	#3
shuvc Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kolkata Posts: 2,913 Thanked: 352 Times View My Garage	Is the Fusion Diesel cheaper than the 1.4 Fiesta ? Even though you/he feels that the Fiesta is more VFM, I'd still say go for the Verna. With a running of approx 2000kms per month, in 4 years time the car will have run 1L kms. With such high running, I personally would like to have peace of mind, that the A.S.S. will be dependable.
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20th July 2007, 17:40	#4
coolsats Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 12 Thanked: 0 Times	Dude just close your eyes and go for Verna. Took the test drive for the car man, and its awsomely powerfull. Put it on 2nd or 3 rd gear, and it flies man.
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20th July 2007, 17:46	#6
vkochar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delhi / Agra / London Posts: 2,146 Thanked: 819 Times View My Garage	Go for the Hyundai Verna - more exciting to drive , Fiesta no doubt more FE but if your brother has been a Hyundai Loyal - then why not continue it 1.6 is not near right now as sale of 1.4 is doing good at the moment. They'll bring it once sales dip, which is not happening anytime soon !! All the better for Ford. Verna does drive like a dream, driven it quite a lot.
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20th July 2007, 17:47	#7
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	If you are going for the verna, make sure you get the optional lock for the driveshafts
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20th July 2007, 17:53	#8
scooby05 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,145 Thanked: 192 Times	How much is the fiesta TDCI?
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20th July 2007, 17:58	#9
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 9,386 Thanked: 13,292 Times	A Ford will not fulfill his want of cheap maintainance and good resale value. So Hyundai might be a better bet in this case.
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20th July 2007, 19:32	#10
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,112 Thanked: 5,760 Times View My Garage	@GTO, thats the first thing that came to my mind and my brother loves our car. He's driven it for arund a 1Kkm at the very least and that includes a trip to Pune and in and around the city. @shuvc I personally thought the build quality of the Verna was flimsy. Also, the ford A.S.S in Mumbai is quite good. @coolsats I love the Verna's engine but am scared about the chassis and brakes. @scooby I have mentioned the price of the Fiesta TDCi in my first post. It's 8.29L OTR Mumbai. @RT That and a few accident threads seriously scared me. Guys, after reading a lot of threads and personal experience this is what i think of each car - Fiesta - Pros - - Good FE (we ourselves are getting 14 in Mumbai traffic) - Amazing refinement - Good build quality - Amazing handling and manouverability. My driver was going on and on about how easy the car is to handle in city traffic. - Amazing stability. Those who have seen my gallery or have read my long term review on the fiesta will remember a pic of our car's speedo showing 175kmph. The car was amazingly stable then. - It has that special feeling. Cons - - It is a bit crampy for its price - Has really small niggling problems (refer to long term review) - Spare parts expensive - though we have never experienced such a problem. - The engine, though amazingly refined is quite sluggish, but is something only felt on the highways. In my daily drive to Juhu from Cuffe Parade, we (as in my driver) never felt that problem but i could make out that it was a bit sluggish on the expressway. Now for the Verna CRDi Pros - - Amazing engine - but my brother won't rip. He is a family man now. - roomy and good ride quality - Good A.S.S - Cheap services and parts - can a Verna owner please comment on this? Cons - - I didn't like the interiors in the base CRDi - Not too stable at high speeds - Not as reliable as previous Hyundais - Not the best handler - POOR BRAKES! - Expensive to buy. There's a 45K difference in the price. Now given my brother's requirements, i have marked which car IMHO is best for each criteria - - Good FE - Fiesta - A trunk - Verna and Fiesta - Resale Value - Verna - Good ride and Handling - Fiesta - Easy to Drive - Fiesta - Cheap to maintain - Verna So can people please help me out and point out if i have gone wrong anywhere in this post. Cheers and a big thanks
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21st July 2007, 12:44	#14
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,112 Thanked: 5,760 Times View My Garage	@hellspawn, the car will be mainly driven by my bro or his wife, with his mom and daughter, who is 4 sitting in it occasionaly. I don't think space is a major criteria atleast right now.
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22nd July 2007, 03:53	#15
karty_83 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 399 Thanked: 166 Times	He should go for the FIESTA eyes closed if maintainence is not the deciding criteria. I came across an article where in its stated that the FORD spare parts would cost significantly lower very soon owing to its new chennai plant.
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