Lancer Cedia/Magnum Diesel or wait for new Honda City

drpullockaran · 26th February 2008, 23:28

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Originally Posted by shuvd

Been driving the Optra Magnum from August last year. Amazing power over 2200rpm. Pulls like crazy! Extremely good ride, soaks up bumps and craters very well. Handling is scary at high speeds. FE is 12+ in Calcutta, 90% AC. Haven't faced any problems so far. 1st service done at 5200kms. Cost Rs. 1440. Overall, a very competent car.

I am planning to buy the Magnum this year if the SRV diesel does not get released soon. Please tell me exactly what you mean by suspect handling at high speeds. Does it not handle as well as the Palio GTX at 140kmph and below.
Bye and wear your seat belts.

diabloo · 27th February 2008, 09:12

Hey zoom_vroom, New City (NC) is expected in Oct 2008. Can you wait till then? How about going for the existing City?

zoom_vroom · 27th February 2008, 09:19

Yeah i can wait for the New City coz till now Honda products have fared good.
If City launches in Oct-08, there would be an initial rush for the car.
Also its always advisable to buy a car after it has been in market for around 6 months to gauge its on road performance.

reignofchaos · 27th February 2008, 09:29

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Originally Posted by drpullockaran

I am planning to buy the Magnum this year if the SRV diesel does not get released soon. Please tell me exactly what you mean by suspect handling at high speeds. Does it not handle as well as the Palio GTX at 140kmph and below.
Bye and wear your seat belts.

The magnum has very poor handling at just about any speed. Palio handles much better compared to it.

diabloo · 27th February 2008, 10:01

NewCity will launched worldwide. Before India, Thailand gets it in August 2008. So by October, you will have plenty of owner reviews

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Originally Posted by zoom_vroom

Also its always advisable to buy a car after it has been in market for around 6 months to gauge its on road performance.

ram_hyundai · 27th February 2008, 10:20

Is the magnum such a junk.I had never felt it that way.It is a good handling one at pretty good speeds.I had done about 120 kmph and was much better than my verna.Or is it like cedia is a better handler.Please clarify reignofachaos.
ram

AshOnTheRocks · 27th February 2008, 10:49

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Originally Posted by ram_hyundai

Is the magnum such a junk.I had never felt it that way.It is a good handling one at pretty good speeds.I had done about 120 kmph and was much better than my verna.Or is it like cedia is a better handler.Please clarify reignofachaos.
ram

Ram,

IMHO you can't really compare handling of Optra Magnum and Verna with Mitsubishi Cedia because Magnum's & Verna's handling too leaves a lot to be desired..There are enough experiential feedback on this forum on the two cars handling at high speed. Verna is no benchmark in handling respect.

Mitsu Cedia is a class apart when it comes to handling at high speed. I'm sure R_O_C and other Cedia owners will be able to answer this better.

Cheers
Ash

reignofchaos · 27th February 2008, 11:13

Ram the only way to answer that question would be to ask you to test drive the Cedia yourself. The high speed composure of this car is a class apart.

shuvd · 27th February 2008, 12:00

Some clarifications WRT Magnum manners.
Magnum IS NOT JUNK. Handling at normal speeds is okay! Its only above 140-150 that things become hairy. The steering feels spring loaded. The cr#$%^ stock tyres don't help matters either. That said, high speed composure in a straight line is very good. Its only when you want to turn at high speeds that the deficiencies come to fore. Otherwise its an entertaining drive.
But, yes. The Cedia is much better in the handling department.

vasudeva · 27th February 2008, 12:13

Then there is no need to go at 140-150 in a Magnum. Anyway, how many kms are logged at such speeds. If the car performs well upto 100-120, that should be OK enough.

Vid6639 · 27th February 2008, 12:13

I agree with shuvd. The handling is not as bad as it's being made out to be. The only thing I feel is the lifeless steering which doesn't have good feedback. Probably that's what gives a feeling of poor handling. The handling is very neutral and safe unless your doing some insane speeds which will be unsafe in any car on our roads.

vasudeva · 27th February 2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by vid6639

The handling is very neutral and safe unless your doing some insane speeds which will be unsafe in any car on our roads.

Sorry, but insane speeds of >130 kmph/90 mph would be unsafe on any roads. God help those who choose a car based on how it handles at insane speeds. As I said, what matters is how it handles at practical speeds.

Vid6639 · 27th February 2008, 13:04

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Originally Posted by vasudeva

Sorry, but insane speeds of >130 kmph/90 mph would be unsafe on any roads. God help those who choose a car based on how it handles at insane speeds. As I said, what matters is how it handles at practical speeds.

Nothing to be sorry about. That's exactly what I meant. The car is safe for practical speeds on our roads.

VMG · 27th February 2008, 16:46

Vasudev

When you invest around 10 lacs on the car, it should be good in all speed. Otherwise it is not worth spending that much money.

sj_koova · 27th February 2008, 17:30

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Originally Posted by VMG

Vasudev

When you invest around 10 lacs on the car, it should be good in all speed. Otherwise it is not worth spending that much money.

VMG, I support you on this.
I have seen people calming 170kmph with cedia in this forum itself.
Anyone did this with a Magnum or any other car of this range?
Stability is most important at high speeds. It all depends on the buyer choice and his driving habits.
Only reason you may want to say no to cedia will be for the resale and brand value (in India).

27th February 2008, 09:12	#32
diabloo BANNED Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengalooru Posts: 1,480 Thanked: 17 Times	Hey zoom_vroom, New City (NC) is expected in Oct 2008. Can you wait till then? How about going for the existing City?
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27th February 2008, 09:19	#33
zoom_vroom BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 262 Thanked: 52 Times	Yeah i can wait for the New City coz till now Honda products have fared good. If City launches in Oct-08, there would be an initial rush for the car. Also its always advisable to buy a car after it has been in market for around 6 months to gauge its on road performance.
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27th February 2008, 10:20	#36
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calicut ,trisur Posts: 2,020 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	Is the magnum such a junk.I had never felt it that way.It is a good handling one at pretty good speeds.I had done about 120 kmph and was much better than my verna.Or is it like cedia is a better handler.Please clarify reignofachaos. ram
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27th February 2008, 11:13	#38
reignofchaos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,542 Thanked: 2,450 Times View My Garage	Ram the only way to answer that question would be to ask you to test drive the Cedia yourself. The high speed composure of this car is a class apart.
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27th February 2008, 12:00	#39
shuvd Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 1,081 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	Some clarifications WRT Magnum manners. Magnum IS NOT JUNK. Handling at normal speeds is okay! Its only above 140-150 that things become hairy. The steering feels spring loaded. The cr#$%^ stock tyres don't help matters either. That said, high speed composure in a straight line is very good. Its only when you want to turn at high speeds that the deficiencies come to fore. Otherwise its an entertaining drive. But, yes. The Cedia is much better in the handling department.
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27th February 2008, 12:13	#40
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,221 Thanked: 212 Times	Then there is no need to go at 140-150 in a Magnum. Anyway, how many kms are logged at such speeds. If the car performs well upto 100-120, that should be OK enough.
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27th February 2008, 12:13	#41
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,727 Thanked: 43,456 Times View My Garage	I agree with shuvd. The handling is not as bad as it's being made out to be. The only thing I feel is the lifeless steering which doesn't have good feedback. Probably that's what gives a feeling of poor handling. The handling is very neutral and safe unless your doing some insane speeds which will be unsafe in any car on our roads.
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27th February 2008, 16:46	#44
VMG BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 344 Thanked: 33 Times	Vasudev When you invest around 10 lacs on the car, it should be good in all speed. Otherwise it is not worth spending that much money.
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