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Originally Posted by vikram_d First and foremost, haven't you asked them why the letter is dated August and you are being asked to sign it now. Something smells fishy here. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think it is illegal to sign a back dated letter. But in your case it might be because you are already an official employee of the company since July and the July appointment letter has a signature even though it does not talk about finances. |
Virkam_d,
You are indeed correct. And my fear is that I might be fired the very next moment I sign that letter. Moreover, they can/might involve me as a person committing financial fraud.
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Originally Posted by ninjatalli While others (and much better informed than me) revert on your query, IMO the reasons for the new appointment letter is quite clear, isn't it - if the old appointment letter mentions the original salary amount (ABCDEF) without any specific caveats/conditions, then they are legally bound to pay you that amount for the past two months, even if they decide to fire you now in October.
On a side note, keeping your query aside (back-dated appointment letter being valid or not), do you really want to trust them with the new appointment letter, considering the past record. What's to stop them from making it even worse in the coming days. Sorry if this fuddles your current scenario than clearing it up. |
First of all, no sorries ninjatalli! In fact, I wholeheartedly appreciate your help and your view is of immense value to me, specially considering the situation I am in.
Yes, it might get worse in coming days. You are correct and things are fishy here. I did tell them that in case they fire me, I would be asking ABCDEF-the amount they paid to me per month. I got reply that you wont be getting a single penny if you are fired, and I can consider my own options. Words from the mouth of my boss.
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Originally Posted by huntrz Don't let you self be arm-twisted, don't sign the letter. With you previous offer letter and payslip send a legal notice to the company.
Even if you are reluctant to take the legal route don't sign it, find a new job rather. There will be no end to harassment if you let them have their way nor will you ever be able to hold your head high in the company.
Also let you boss know that if a case is filed then, the firm being big might remain unaffected but he will be a party to the case being a co-conspirator and will not escape unscathed.
If it is really a big company and its just a blunder made by HR then it is the HR who should lose the job and not you. Write to all the senior management contacts that you know of. However my gut feeling is that senior management is a part of the conspiracy otherwise why would one sign the offer letter without compensation figures on it. Also I have not come across an offer letter having monthly salary figures on it. |
Yes, senior management is certainly part of this conspiracy and that is feeling I am getting too. This is a Pvt. Ltd. company and hence these things are common is what I am being told. Proudly the HR claims that there have been such instances at more than point of time. Yes, I will be telling my boss that he might face problems. And if he faces charges or anything, the firm might fire him too.
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Originally Posted by zoombiee Most manufacturing companies are having a tough time. Ask your boss/HR/MD for the reasons. They have been unethical and owe you an explanation. If you dont find their reason compelling you should leave. They could play this trick with you whenever they desire. |
Forget explanation, they are blunt to even say that I can take a legal route if I want.
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Originally Posted by alter.e.go
This is some good advise! Do not sign anything. I have had instances where HR/MD's etc have made mistakes. This is not how it is normally resolved. Seems dubious to me. Get the hell out of there soon. It's a sign of things to come. |
Correct Alter.e.go, these are signs of what I can expect in future.
1) Today I bow down owing to market conditions, there is no guarantee that I wont get fired.
2) In future, they might ask me to sign another document, for God knows what reason.
3) I am not paid as per the amount claimed by letter signed by M.D. Now, I have paying slips of earlier months, and this thing might get caught in Audit. May be they are scared of this and hence asking me to sign back dated letter. If I sign it, it means i am also getting involved in an activity which is to cover up financial error ( which is/might be illegal ). I dont want to be party to an illegal/covering up plot.
4) Both HR and my Boss, they agree that despite the problems I am reporting to work and doing my job well. In person ( and personally ) they appreciate this, but in case of this letter, I have no options is what they claim.
A BIG THANKS TO ALL FOR REPLYING WITH YOUR VIEWS AND HELPING ME IN NOT-SO-GOOD TIMES.