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Originally Posted by ex670c Hi Alpha,
Have you seen the strongmen of yester years, Body builders of the 60s and 70s and 80s and powerlifters, are they bulky or skinny?
What about Frank Zane, Mike Mentzer, Tom Platz, Samir Bannout, they surely worked iron the old way.
What kind of hypertrophy do you think is predominant in them.
I agree with CNS, but I would also like to add, pumping is basically filling your muscles with fluid, and increasing blood circulation.
The ideal rep range for developing Myofibrillar Hypertrophy is 5-8 reps.
1-4 reps vs 5-8 Reps
30-60% vs 90% of muscle fibres recruited for doing the work.
Beyond 8 Reps the chances of lactic acid build up is rapid, thereby, causing muscular fatigue.
Also CNS training is very important for any iron worker.
Regards,
Arka
PS - Go easy with the genetically blessed, it was a term coined to promote the sales of supplements to those who were not supposedly "genetically blessed". |
1. Bodybuilders never have been skinny. Neither have strongmen. Whether you take 60s or 90s.
2. The old way is actually doing higher reps (12 to 15 which is certainly more than 5 reps), higher volume (6 sets at least, instead of 3 which is modern approach)
3. Agreed about 5-8 reps for myofibr hypertrophy. However, that doesn't lead to perceptible increase in muscular size. Bodybuilding is more concerened about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy - which is markedly more perceptible (measured by tape). However, sarco increase doesn't lead to very huge strength gains - the gains are more on the endurance and ability to perform more work in shorter time.
4. Mike Mentzer is often used as a defense for heavy duty workout - where you do one set of extremely heavy weight per body part and rest for one week atleast. However, most ppl don't know that he propagated heavy duty only after coming into Olympia scene. Till then he was doing the old school high volume workout.
5. CNS training is only to increase strength. Sure, if you are looking at powerlifting championship, or to impress others at gym, you would want that - however, the shortcomings of CNS overloading is that it takes atleast a week for it to receover. Whereas your muscles recover by 72 hours. Giving them a rest of 7-3 = 4 days is not going to help muscles grow.
6. With regards to pump - as I said - it was my experience. Lifting extremely heavy and taking one week break is something that I tried and got nothing out of it.
7. Genetically blessed means different ppl have different built up.
You can be big boned, and your results will be totally different from someone who is thin boned (more muscles, more strength for less effort).
You can have a fast metabolism, and that allows you to increase your diet. Whereas a person with slow metabolism, will have to take care of his diet - and as a result his muscualr progression is slower.
Your muscle/tendon insertions into bones, allow you to take heavier/lighter weight than others, and when developed, will look also different from other ppl.
The higher rep and volume training principle is from olden days only - golden age they call. That when Vince Gironda, Harold Poole, Larry Scott, Sergio Olivia, Arnold, Serge Nubret etc were known names.
Its recently that many powerlifters have started coming into bodybuilding, brining in their training philosophy. But then even then if you see Ronnie Coleman who used to do powerlifting - changed his workout to 12-15 reps and higher sets, because by doing 5-8 reps and two-three sets you are only gonna increase strength - but visually it doesn't bring out fast results.