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1st June 2015, 00:04 | #16 | |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? Quote:
Check this: https://community.nasscom.in/communi...ware-exporters What is the purpose of this STPI or RBI keeping such a close watch at the exports? Beats me! And this is exports, this is actually good for the country. Now imagine the dance expected from the businesses for imports, the so called bad thing. Wish that was possible. Few years back a visitor at my company asked me what sops I get from the government for running a rural IT company. My answer was "NONE", but I did wish for one, it is called "Leave us alone". I wish for zero involvement, but they won't leave us alone. Last edited by Samurai : 23rd April 2018 at 10:25. Reason: url changed | |
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1st June 2015, 11:05 | #17 |
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| Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? I strongly suspect the military-industrial complex in the US & Israel is behind Tesla's 'success' - for some reason they want a dependable electric vehicle and Elon Musk was at the right place at the right time. I wanted to post this yesterday from my tab, but was not too keen on typing it up with the onscreen KBD. This morning, guess what? Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies This is also the story behind Facebook and others. On the other hand, our government in collusion with this military-industrial complex will ensure failure of any such ideas and entrepreneurs. Welcome to the post-industrial world! |
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1st June 2015, 11:34 | #18 | |
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| Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? Quote:
You have spoken more in terms of technology domain (and that's what the thread is inclining towards), however, there is another aspect which is perhaps not as relevant in technology startup (though I feel it is) but it is terribly important in other domains: enforcement of rights and contracts. Trying doing a brick and mortar business and see how often one is faced with situations where you can't do anything about someone breaching these. | |
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1st June 2015, 11:43 | #19 | |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? Happened upon a very interesting perspective on "Being Elon Musk" the other day. In the words of, fittingly, his ex-wife, replying to a Quora question: "How can I be as great as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk and Richard Branson?" Quote:
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1st June 2015, 11:44 | #20 | |
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I am somewhat aware of it based on my F-I-L's experience, but I can't speak with confidence. I rather have somebody with extensive first hand experience talk about it. | |
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1st June 2015, 11:50 | #21 |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? India has primarily evolved to be a "dalal" economy. Middlemen are enriched, and powerful. Everything is through middlemen. This is the attitude everywhere due to decades of conditioning. Until this changes, we won't see something like a Tesla coming out of here. |
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1st June 2015, 12:28 | #22 | |
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| Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? Quote:
Oh god don't even get me started. How many multinationals and local companies have gotten into scandals and thick BS over greenfield projects (building a new huge production site from a literally green field). Tesla announced a battery factory and they already have huge progress on the factory. Now take into account all the complaints from MNCs like ArcelorMittal, Tata Steel who once had a project sit for 8 years on an Indian bureaucrats desk thanks to red tape. And at every stage you will have someone that will want a little something under their office table or some secret location I suppose. I suppose there will never be an Indian Elon Musk in the brick and mortar sense for this reason only. Someone with an IQ of 200 with similar aspirations and all the money in the world can drop down from heaven tomorrow with the goal to build a Tesla or a SpaceX here, but I can imagine him being stopped for this one simple reason. Just take into account what kind of headaches these infra companies go through when developing a simple powerplant. I know land acquisition is the stuff nightmares are made of for relevant industry executives. | |
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1st June 2015, 12:53 | #23 | |
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| Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? Quote:
Other notable Indians: 1) Richard Branson - Vijay Mallya 2) Sam Walton - Kishore Biyani 3) Jeff Bezos - Bansals Last edited by msdivy : 1st June 2015 at 13:19. | |
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1st June 2015, 13:55 | #24 | |
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| Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? Quote:
I dream someday, India will have policies that govern how these middlemen can be negated and layers upon layers of fat and unnecessary paperwork undone. However that wont bear any fruit as long as there are people who want to earn a lot of money for doing nothing and ensure their kin scavenges through. Great topic to read first up on a Monday. T-BHP is definitely on the forefront to maximize knowledge be it Automotive or otherwise. | |
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1st June 2015, 15:46 | #25 | ||||
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India has more entrepreneurs than the USA. Quote:
You can bypass rules in India due to a number of reasons. Try doing that in the States. Everything is by the rule book there. Quote:
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The real reason is $$$. Americans have unbelievable purchasing power and are big consumers. In what is a related point, investment is also easier in the USA than in most other countries. But really, it's the size of the economy + consumer mindset more than anything else. Forget American companies like GM, Ford & Chrysler, at one time, Honda made over half of its worldwide profits from USA. Toyota makes more money in the USA than the entire of Europe + Asia (except Japan, but including China) combined. There's a reason why nearly all the big names we know today (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, McDonalds, Coca-Cola, General Electric, Nike, Marlboro are from the USA. Last edited by GTO : 1st June 2015 at 15:52. | ||||
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1st June 2015, 17:05 | #26 | |||
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And as you had mentioned, which I fully agree with, is that the whole focus of business is now on profit. There is nothing wrong in aiming to be rich, and getting rewards for hard work - but fostering ideas, purely for the sake of bringing out something good, appears to be rare nowadays (each and every listed company has to come out with their quarterly financials - God knows how that helps the investor or the promotor ....) Rules are made to deter and not foster entrepreneurs in our country To me Elon Musk is a phenomenon (and a rare one at that). Not just because of Tesla, but also because of Pay Pal (electronic money never featured even in the fiction I used to read); such individuals develop only because the whole ecosystem supports and nurtures innovation - we have a long way to go before we get there. Samurai, you had mentioned 60s and 70s - of course, some unimaginable thigs have happened since then, but here's something from the 80's - computers were discussed vaguely in the text books I studied. And, there was this concept of mouse, e-mail (this was pre windows days) which was being discussed by a entrepreneur - unimaginable. Of course, he had come back from the US, so it was very much likely that such things were being conceived .... so I have kept myself a souvenir (the real thing, not the photos) to let me reminiscence in my old age :-) PS - I am told that there is a connection with this and Elon Musk.... | |||
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1st June 2015, 17:15 | #28 |
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| Re: Why doesn't India have an Elon Musk? 1. In India the rules and legislations in place before somebody starts a small business or does R&D are everywhere. This makes the cost or risk of analysing the probable risks a challenge and force's the entrepreneurs to seek out middlemen 2. The inherent difficulty to get funding or loans from financial institutions for small and medium enterprises, know a friend of mine running around to get funding for a small startup, the delay pushing them into pressure situations, where another friend of mine who works in a MNC Bank also concurred that it's difficult to find banks or FI's funding small startups 3. I'm also finding quite a few IT guys quitting their jobs and starting business around the IT hubs, maybe things will get better soon and the next generation growing up, watching their trials and success, take bolder steps in business. But things are changing for the better, let's hope that the best is yet to come, for India. |
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1st June 2015, 19:16 | #29 | |
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As an R&D Engineer working for a US Oil and Gas Tech Giant, I have seen first hand the kind of bureaucracy, harassment and pointless fiddling by the government in our R&D centre's day to day affairs. Any piece of equipment imported from the US/anywhere brings with a perennial wait for all the required department's officials to come and "inspect" the equipment. By the time, we actually get to use the equipment, one or two hardware/ software updates would already be out for the same. The visits by these so called regulatory authorities have nothing to do with the actual inspection of the equipment, the just want to see the invoice value and make the most percentage for their respective departments. But, I have to come to understand that these are necessary in a developing country like ours where we still have strong legislations against import of high pressure accumulators (a sort of prerequisite for our work). These can only be done by government owned institutions. The guys in power need to understand that healthy competition is always welcome in any environment, it will only make things take a turn for the better. Until the I guess, we will have to bear these regulations just like we have been bearing corruption. Another point that I think would be worthy of mention is the kind of drive that Elon Musk or his kind have when pursuing something. That kind of drive would simply not be possible in a setting like ours where parents/ family need to kept in the loop for every decision that you take. As a person who has watched and read quite a lot of Elon, I can say this. He does not know when to quit. There was a point in his life after the sell out of PayPal, where all his ventures were in some kind of trouble or the other, his SpaceX program had still not built a working prototype, his Tesla venture was still in R&D, the roadster was yet to come at that point I believe. And finally, his Solar City enterprise was in debt. At that point, most would have quit and filed for bankruptcy, but not Elon. He put the remainder of his fortune from PayPal (some 40 million) into Tesla and said that he would not give up on this company no matter what. Not to mention the future battles he had to fight with the designer of the Fisker Karma (who used to work for Tesla then). After this investment, the US govt. announced investment into Tesla, his SpaceX program got a working prototype and his Solar City was back in business. I always believe that with such people, luck always plays a very important role. Note from Support: Extra Smiley removed, Please refer Team-BHP Rules. Added spaces for make the post readable. Kindly proof read your posts before submitting. Thanks Last edited by .anshuman : 1st June 2015 at 19:49. Reason: See note in post. Thanks | |
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1st June 2015, 21:59 | #30 | ||||
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While it is a very good question, unfortunately we will never have another person like him IMO. Paypal ,Tesla ,SpaceX ,SolarCity were all built up from scratch. Even when he made tons selling paypal, he could have retired, but no, he put his attention to some other idea. Even to the extent of pouring almost all of his money in Tesla when it was struggling. Today he might get subsidies from the govt, but he was struggling at times yet he never gave up. Maybe we can hope to find a person at-least half of him. Quote:
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