Four Choke to death in car

pyrocrypt · 4th September 2006, 21:30

the fact that the car didnt go off even after a 4 feet flood clealy indicated a rupture in the exhaust pipe and the crack somewhere near the engine....as 'tsk' mentioned earlier the CO might have leaked into the AC air ducts. if my memoy is correct there was no failure in the central locking system...and 'raj_aryan4411' there are window locks in the drivers control panel.

SLK · 4th September 2006, 21:43

Yup.. interestiongly Diesels produce less of CO per kg of emission BUT ... their comresssion ratio's are double and engine sizes normally more... result in equal amount of CO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram

An idling automotive engine's exhaust contains 2% to 10% carbon monoxide anyway

As per http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/eu/ld.html
an euro 2 compliant engine produces less than 0.25% of CO... and almost same for euro 3.

The catalytic converters in cars are just there to take care of CO.... so all those who remove it are actually removing a safety equipment.

vivekiny2k · 5th September 2006, 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram

Friends:

Found an interesting website.

http://www.CarbonMonoxideKills.com

Ram

whilt going thru baby-safing tips for my new born, i was advised to install this in my house. I think CO poisoning is quit common, and it's worth installing gadgets like these.....car manufacturers shud think over it.

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp146412_3...e_detector.htm

tsk1979 · 13th September 2006, 12:07

Police claim that they have cracked the case.
A missing rubber seal inside the boot led to the compartment filling with CO.
They believe that this seal is removed when car is given for washing to drain water. They guy forgot to replace the seal,
Hyundai has refuted that and said this could not be the case, and exaust gases cannot enter through that.
Police say AC was off as the car was submerged but the blower was working.

vincentt · 13th September 2006, 17:52

When it comes to using the AC, its a best practice as revharder mentions to leave the window a little open. When its heavily raining and i cant really open the windows, what i practice on the Alto is that I make sure that atleast once in every 10 - 15 mins for about 30 seconds to open the outside-air-inside option, so that the air inside the vehicle is kind of recycled with fresh air.

And believe me this really helps you drive better. It may reduce the coolilng effect for a while and the AC will need to work harder may be to get the air cooled, but whats better, money or life!!!

ollie · 13th September 2006, 18:04

Guys.. Cant it be the food from the place where they had gone for dinner ??

tsk1979 · 13th September 2006, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie

Guys.. Cant it be the food from the place where they had gone for dinner ??

Unless the food caused such a reaction that all four started farting CO, I really doubt that

rsjaurr · 13th September 2006, 20:31

ram,u have been spot on with ur knowledge about co.

As i was going through one of medicine book, accidental exposure to automobile exhaust has been written as the 1st cause of co poisoining apart from few others.

Intial symptoms r mainly dizziness,headache,abd pain and nausea and then confusion,dyspnoea and syncope with higher levels.Hypotension,coma and seizures r common with even higher levels of carboxyhaemoglobin.

But i cant digest the fact that four of them failed to feel above symptoms at same time and then died one by one.Atleast one of them, especially adults, could have noticed something different or seen their kids falling to sleep easily and not responding as pointed by someone here.
Adults could have tolerated few symptoms but no parents would like to sit idle if their children start having nausea,abdominal pain or even headache,and mind u these r early symptoms.

I am not sure whether forensic report (viscera) has come or not but it may clear quite a few doubts.

4th September 2006, 21:30	#31
pyrocrypt Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 7 Thanked: Once	the fact that the car didnt go off even after a 4 feet flood clealy indicated a rupture in the exhaust pipe and the crack somewhere near the engine....as 'tsk' mentioned earlier the CO might have leaked into the AC air ducts. if my memoy is correct there was no failure in the central locking system...and 'raj_aryan4411' there are window locks in the drivers control panel.
	() Thanks

13th September 2006, 12:07	#34
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Police claim that they have cracked the case. A missing rubber seal inside the boot led to the compartment filling with CO. They believe that this seal is removed when car is given for washing to drain water. They guy forgot to replace the seal, Hyundai has refuted that and said this could not be the case, and exaust gases cannot enter through that. Police say AC was off as the car was submerged but the blower was working.
	() Thanks

13th September 2006, 17:52	#35
vincentt BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 70 Thanked: Once	When it comes to using the AC, its a best practice as revharder mentions to leave the window a little open. When its heavily raining and i cant really open the windows, what i practice on the Alto is that I make sure that atleast once in every 10 - 15 mins for about 30 seconds to open the outside-air-inside option, so that the air inside the vehicle is kind of recycled with fresh air. And believe me this really helps you drive better. It may reduce the coolilng effect for a while and the AC will need to work harder may be to get the air cooled, but whats better, money or life!!!
	() Thanks

13th September 2006, 18:04	#36
ollie BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 289 Thanked: Once	Guys.. Cant it be the food from the place where they had gone for dinner ??
	() Thanks

13th September 2006, 20:31	#38
rsjaurr BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Batala Posts: 777 Thanked: 28 Times	ram,u have been spot on with ur knowledge about co. As i was going through one of medicine book, accidental exposure to automobile exhaust has been written as the 1st cause of co poisoining apart from few others. Intial symptoms r mainly dizziness,headache,abd pain and nausea and then confusion,dyspnoea and syncope with higher levels.Hypotension,coma and seizures r common with even higher levels of carboxyhaemoglobin. But i cant digest the fact that four of them failed to feel above symptoms at same time and then died one by one.Atleast one of them, especially adults, could have noticed something different or seen their kids falling to sleep easily and not responding as pointed by someone here. Adults could have tolerated few symptoms but no parents would like to sit idle if their children start having nausea,abdominal pain or even headache,and mind u these r early symptoms. I am not sure whether forensic report (viscera) has come or not but it may clear quite a few doubts.
	() Thanks