Re: Emirates 777 from Trivandrum crash lands at Dubai airport Quote:
Originally Posted by shankar.balan Absolutely frightening indeed. And we are regular Emirates users. One of the Best Airlines in the World so far with an enviable record for Quality as well as Safety. Wonder what they are going to do to reassure passengers in future. Wonder also what caused this - mechanical fault or Pilot Error. | Quote:
Originally Posted by liferocks What matters most is, not a single life lost in this unfortunate event. Sadly a fireman sacrificed his life saving others. Here we must applaud the excellent work done by the cabin crew in evacuating close to 300 people from a smoke filled furnace. That's one hell of a team work. They delivered under immense pressure. Emirates is one of the best airlines in the world, in terms of training and professionalism. |
Cross posting from my 777 Thread, for those who haven't read it.
In most websites, people are speculating about the cause of the crash. I am glad that T-bhp is more considerate towards the aviation community. Believe me when I say this, even as a pilot, I would still hesitate to judge the quality of a colleague's landing even when I am sitting in his plane. I could well say whether his landing was smooth or hard, but I would not dare to say it was good or bad, unless I am inside the cockpit and I am familiar with the plane and the respective procedures.
Also keep in mind that the conditions in the Gulf in summer are extreme, as you see. Last second go around in Dubai with WS is a very high risk scenario. With a prevailing temperature of 49 degrees Celsius and barometric pressure of 0993, both pressure and density altitude are high considering the actual field elevation of 62 ft. Coupled with Wind Shear Alert, conditions were quite adverse. However, please remember that I say this on the basis of the METAR, and as every pilot knows, the METAR gives a hint of what MIGHT have happened, but a METAR can be quite a bit different to the actual conditions which vary within seconds.
So once again, patience is advised, let us wait for crew reports and data readouts. This is not an aircraft that has disappeared in the middle of the ocean. It’s FDR’s are being recovered as we speak and the reasons of this crash will be out in a few days. Quote:
Originally Posted by airforce1 I believe wind shear was prevailing at the time of crash. OMDB metar 030900z 11021kt 3000 BLDU NSC 49/07 QNH 0993 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015 kt1500 DU. That is weather Dubai winds are from 110 degrees direction at 21 knots with visibility of 3 km blowing dust. No significant cloud was reported and temperatures of 49 degrees. | Quote:
Originally Posted by audioholic Oh well, that looks like the first hull loss for emirates? Or is it not? Quite shocking considering they had a good safety record all the while.
Quite a lucky escape there for the passengers. Touching down without gear is something totally amiss here. Even if they were going around, shouldn't they have retracted it later? | Quote:
Originally Posted by coolboy007 TOGA thrust has immense power but these huge turbo fans do need a few seconds to fully spool up from near idle thrust during landing, it is impossible that the experienced crew put the gear up without even confirming a positive climb rate unless some weather phenomenon like wind shear brought that aircraft down. Yet to see what the weather was like and finer details on what happened, am glad that all passengers and crew escaped unhurt. |
Exactly. I will absolutely refuse to believe that the gear was retracted without confirming a positive ROC.
The only thing I am not happy about is the attitude of the passengers after the crash and the subsequent evacuation. People were panicking, trying to take their hand-baggage and luggage etc. - Most people who encounter an incident like this for the first time are disoriented. They go into shock. They cannot think properly anymore. They know they need to get off the aircraft so they do what they normally do, grab their bag and head for the exit. You wouldn't believe how the human mind can freeze up. The seatbelt demonstration that everyone laughs at? There have been a number of incidents where people survived the impacts but died in the fire because they couldn't get their seatbelt off. Experts recommend buckling and unbuckling your seatbelt a couple times to build some muscle memory if you aren't familiar.
- Most of the pax on board this aircraft was of an Indian nationality and it's safe to assume their English may not have been good. Also, cabin crew instructions were being shouted in English, most pax probably did not understand.
- Another point to note, specifically in this scenario, is that most of the people in this flight would have been Indian nationals, whose passport or documents would mean more to them than their life. Here is a tip for everyone: always remember to keep your passport, visa and a govt. issued ID card on yourself at all times, even when going to the washroom. Not in your carry-on, not in your checked in baggage. On you, in the pocket or in a pouch or whatever. Always.
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