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Originally Posted by Samurai Renting is a commercial activity. It involves risk, and the risk is no greater than it is in other cities and towns of India, where they don't take 10 months advance. Are Bangalore tenants much more notorious than else where?
I am failing to understand why Bangalore landlords deserve 10 months advance to mitigate risk... |
A judge in Bangalore High Court had commented a year or so back, that one cannot just assume people in cities are simple minded. The article was a large section in page 3 with the case background & context, and how it generally applies to everyone.
See, Bangalore is not the same city it used to be even 10yrs back, forget 20-30yrs. Maybe people in Tier II & III are not as shrewd as they are here. Alot works on mutual trust there.
And in any case, the corollary could also be questioned : Why aren't people in other cities taking the example of the well informed people of Bangalore & implementing the same to protect their asset ?
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PIL has been filed because it affects a large numbers of potential tenants who can't afford to pay upfront cash of 10 months rent.
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Then people should take what they
can afford. Why struggle? If I can't afford something. Does it give me a right to brand it as
criminal extortion ?
The relationship between landlord & tenant has developed a very negative sentiment. I'm not saying the OP is unfairly interfering as unscrupulous people do, but the method admittedly adopted definitely seems to be an unreasonable & biased attitude. Possibly attracting attention asif being a massaiah of sorts.
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Originally Posted by Samurai ...But do explain, how does 10 month advance solve the problem of bad tenant? |
Lets grant that I may be able to get superficial damages fixed at
half the "market cost" by putting my own personal efforts.
Problems arise when a Concrete column or RCC roof is perforated by rock bolts. Such things just cannot be
cheaply repaired to original strength.
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Originally Posted by mvadg What should car rental agencies do then? Charge the price of the vehicle as deposit?
It is not like the tenant is going to run away with the building! or even parts of it. |
Avis used to charge 50k to 200k as security deposit and would keep your credit card with themselves before handing over the car.
Recently there was a car rental agency (IIRC
Revv) that was being discussed here about where the T&C said they could hold the renter liable for the full cost of the car. That too they keep it as their sole prerogative to assess damage. You'll notice even ZOOM Cars have started heavily penalising renters for superficial damages.
Still, a car is a movable machine, parts easily repairable & replaceable. But nothing can
cheaply restore the strength of a drilled RCC roof/Column that has started leaking, to its earlier strength such that it doesn't recur in the long term.
Very insensitive people think its a laughing matter that someones property is genuinely vulnerable. Shows a glimpse into the attitude how tenants may have a no conscience of the landlords loss.
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Originally Posted by hserus Evicting a tenant anywhere in India, even for non payment of rent, is an exercise in futility if you go through the legal system, and will take many years.
There's a flourishing "eviction business" run by... |
One of my dads tenants hadn't paid rents for over a year. We could've chosen the "goon-route" paying 2 lacs, but we chose the legal route thinking the tenant will come to terms as we atleast had a well drafted agreement.
Outcome : Forget rent recovery, it took 2 years to get a court order to evict the tenant
with police help. This was with
0 representations by the tenant (lawyer only filed meaningless IA's * & asked dates - & courts gladly granted long dates, despite objections).
(*= One of the IA's was that the tenants 10 yr old son would be travelling 2km more to school, and that my brothers willingness to move into the property after marriage isn't as important - the
HC Judge agreed(!) and of his own accord gave tenant 4 months extra time, when my mom peacefully raised her right arm asking to object, the judge literally asked her to keep quiet and warned our lawyer!)
Eviction Process : Cops & Court
"Amin" were unwilling to work on court order (!) & delayed it. After a month of delays & a stern warning by court, we had to spend 15+2k on the cops just to ensure they didn't claim insufficient personnel, we even spent 7k for 2 tempo's (prepaid so the tenant/litigant doesn't face hardship moving to his
3yr old self-owned 3 storey building just 7kms away), further 4k for 5 gutsy women-labourers that day
just to carry out the legitimate court order. Took them 9 hours to just move-out the
stinking junk that was stored by tenant.
Structure is in tatters - barely liveable. Now after heavily spending on sanitisation & repairs its still only usable as store room and free accommodation for ground staff.
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Originally Posted by SILVERWOOD Dear Friends,
Many people ping me on FB and i get to read their horror stories on how the flat owners deducted/never returned their deposits citing frivolous reasons. This kept increasing with time and hence i decided to take this up. |
Granted your motive might seem to you as "for public good". But is your approach constructive ?
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I have helped many people recover their deposits which were otherwise held up with the flat/house owners.Most of them pay up immediately after an receiving an email with these golden words (I will be constrained to seek legal recourse and will file a case against you under section ***** ***** if you fail to return my deposit in next 7 working days.)
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So you outright threaten people. Irrespective of what the contract says or their situation, irrespective of whether they can or cannot afford legal costs or not. Because ofcourse, thats not your problem, right?
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The remaining guys pay up after they receive a legal notice from a lawyer. Please note that these very people had BLATANTLY refused to return the complete/partial deposit citing frivolous reasons.(Damage/Will pay after getting a new tenant/You owe money to the dhobhi/supermarket/Neighbor etc)
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Wah! Outlandish I must say. But what you believe is "BLATANT", could be considered "FRANK" by someone else. No?
Also, damage to structure is
NOT a frivolous reason.
Doesn't it ring a bell that someone moving away leaving petty liabilities with poor people/small shops or neighbours (who'd generally consider someone staying closeby as reputable as "sufficiently credible for petty IOUs") could be a person of suspect character ?
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I have rented houses in Hyderabad,DEL/NCR,Chennai and Mumbai and paid deposits ranging from 1-3 months and i fail to understand what is so special about Bangalore.
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I do plenty of shopping at local markets, and often fail to understand why some shops sell for much more than others. But I don't go around sending them legal notices claiming illegality. We're basically talking about individual private property.
Private individuals hold a
right in personam to deal with their property in a manner that they solely feel fit. No ?
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...The PIL (It was actually a Writ Of Mandamus) was filed after the representation fell on deaf years.
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Lets see. India may not be one of the best countries when it comes to the courts respecting private property rights, but I don't believe the situation can be THAT bad to put regulations on the free market.