[prabuddhadg]

Originally Posted by Mpower

For the cops its a question of "Us vs Them"

They live in a different socio economic category and cannot see India's westernization favourably....esp when it involves women in bars close to midnight.

This is all about getting back at them by humiliating them.

Exactly, Mpower, You have hit the nail on the head. Its the same stupid mentality that has them up in arms against Valentine's Day celebrations. For them, I guess women are best stowed away in the house cooking for the menfolk.

[Jaggu]

1130 and pubs pull shutter in bangalore city :(

[supremeBaleno]

There is this politician here who had a queer solution for the increasing liquor consumption in Chennai. He would have only 2 liquor shops in Chennai - one in North Chennai and the other in South Chennai. This, he says, would reduce liquor consumption because people would be hesitant to travel to the end of the city for buying liquor.

Not that we expect anything sensible from him, going by his past utterings. He thinks English is bad for kids in TN and rants about Tamil culture going down the drain etc. However, his son (a Central minister) was educated in English medium schools and so are his grandkids now. Also, his son always dresses up in a proper suit and always talks in English even in TN - so much for Tamil culture.

The pity is that there are scores of people who are waiting for such pearls to drop from his mouth and to take action on them a la the Sena brigade. Some of their stupid actions include disfiguring signs on the highway written in English (the Hindi ones were disfigured long ago, so if you do not know Tamil, you are on your own), cutting down the trees lining the highway to block traffic during bandhs called by them (those trees are what make TN highways a pleasure to drive through).

[khaadu75]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

Very right in doing so. This whole drinking business in public, that too boys and girls together, is against our Indian culture. Such people should not be spared the harshest punishment possible. What do they think of themselves? This is not the age to be doing such things. Concentrate on your studies and work, and religion. All possible resources must be diverted from less important activities, like catching murderers and thieves, to shutting such places of ill-repute.

Hey, For a second I was that we had some one with such thinking amongst us -- !!! As for the lock up part ... wonder if they put them guys and girls in the same cell or diff cells ... same cells wud have made for an interesting night ..

The moral police in our country wakes up and then sleeps again and then wakes up again --
Cheers

[Boom Shiva]

Now that all the big, dangerous criminals have been locked up for their heinous crime of socialising, perhaps the authorities can focus on the smaller fry...like the pesky people who captured the polling booths and other such misdemeanours.

[rjstyles69]

Come what may people,in a politically corrupt country like India there is no solution to such things. The government would only find ways and means on s*****g money out of the working class and impose new rules.
If only the rules helped and changed the way things are.

On a personal opinion, i dont see any change in the drop of crimes in any of the cities @least Bangalore. Pubs are a place where the working crowd socialize and if cops shut down such places the city would loose all its charm.

I remember someone mention on the thread that get to pubs attached to star hotels. Well my friend thats not the case @least in Bangalore. All pubs attached or non-attached to Star Hotels shut shop by 11:30pm.

I can bet anything on that because we had to leave the pub attached to a star hotel last night @ 11:30pm.

@SupremeBaleno, i thght SPARKS in chennai was raided a year back also.

[supremeBaleno]

Originally Posted by rjstyles69

@SupremeBaleno, i thght SPARKS in chennai was raided a year back also.

I guess you meant "The Park", which was raided a year or so ago and for a real absurd reason. In the current case, atleast the pubs were in the wrong for serving liquor after closing hours. But in the case of The Park, the reason for raiding (and later closing it for many days) was the pics taken at the hotel the previous night, which had men and women drinking, and the physical proximity between them. Women drinking and being close to men is against Tamil/Indian culture, you see.

[rjstyles69]

I know what you mean .

[esteem_lover]

Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

Also, his son always dresses up in a proper suit and always talks in English even in TN - so much for Tamil culture.

Quote:
Originally Posted by supremeBaleno
I guess you meant "The Park", which was raided a year or so ago and for a real absurd reason. In the current case, atleast the pubs were in the wrong for serving liquor after closing hours. But in the case of The Park, the reason for raiding (and later closing it for many days) was the pics taken at the hotel the previous night, which had men and women drinking, and the physical proximity between them. Women drinking and being close to men is against Tamil/Indian culture, you see.


SB, i think you ought to take your foot off the 'Tamil/Indian' culture part. It hurts me first as an Indian & next as a tamil as you & i are very much part of it. I dont think there is any community in India which would encourage their kids to go to bars & stay out till after 2.00am. i know the world is changing & i am too. let us not condemn our own culture. Most of us are hypocrites when it comes to our own family.

Coming to the point of discussion, there was an incident 2 years ago when a girl working in a BPO was killed in a road accident just a few metres away from the bar that she had come out of. she was run down by a car which was driven/occupied by her friends. This raised such a big hue & cry & the police had to make sure that night clubs & bars do not function after the time limit, which i believe is 12.00 midnight. If one sees the present happenings in the light of this incident, one will know what i am talking about. before anyone jumps to any conclusions, i do party a lot, ordering, cajoling & even threatening for more drinks even after 1.00 am. But somewhere along, a line has to be drawn.

In the said incident, i believe girls who could not produce any ids in support of their age were detained by the police until their parents came to vouch for them. all in all the incidents could have been better handled by the police. But what we read in the newspapers is only facet of the whole incident. It would be very interesting if we knew the actual happenings. cheers

p.s. my apologies, if anyone feels i overreacted

[supremeBaleno]

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

SB, i think you ought to take your foot off the 'Tamil/Indian' culture part. It hurts me first as an Indian & next as a tamil as you & i are very much part of it. I dont think there is any community in India which would encourage their kids to go to bars & stay out till after 2.00am. i know the world is changing & i am too. let us not condemn our own culture. Most of us are hypocrites when it comes to our own family.

That comment and smilie was not to insult our culture - I take pride in being an Indian. It was against how the politicians / police bend it to suit their needs. If drinking is against our culture, we should not be having bars around. We have the Govt. in TN retailing liquor. And this from a political party that stands for Tamil culture. If it can be sold legally, what's wrong in drinking it ? And I am sure most of these kids were not there with parental permission anyway. So where's the question of communities/parents encouraging kids ?

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

This raised such a big hue & cry & the police had to make sure that night clubs & bars do not function after the time limit, which i believe is 12.00 midnight. If one sees the present happenings in the light of this incident, one will know what i am talking about.

If you noticed, I did clearly mention that the pubs that were open after specified hours were wrong in doing so. It was only the detention of the patrons that I found wrong.

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

before anyone jumps to any conclusions, i do party a lot, ordering, cajoling & even threatening for more drinks even after 1.00 am.

Hmmmm...

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

In the said incident, i believe girls who could not produce any ids in support of their age were detained by the police until their parents came to vouch for them.

E_L, do you really believe that working youngsters today move around without even a single ID ? At any given point of time, I have 2-3 of them on me and atleast one in my car. I don't believe the crap that the police dole out. BTW, even if we assume that some of them did not have an ID on them, since when is being seen in a hotel/bar without an ID a crime ?

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

p.s. my apologies, if anyone feels i overreacted

No big deal. I had a sort of premonition that this was coming. Anyway, as long as it remains a healthy discussion, I guess it is OK.

[rsjaurr]

Good words esteem_lover.....

Its always a criminal to drink at any place[except home] after the specified hours.If someone wants to take a drink,he can go home,very simple.

Police has to maintain law & order and they just did that as drinking after specified hours at pubs was definately not acc to law.Infacat they did right thing that they handed over the girls to their parents instead of making them appear in court and filling cases against them.

We always tend to blame our politicians and police but whenever they do some nice things[though they do it just occasionally],we just stand up against them and blame their soci-economic level forgetting that some higher officer may have ordered the raid whose SE level may higher than any of us here.

BTW i never thought that apart from ambanis,tatas,bajajs,godrejs etc and few more,few of us Indian have reached higher SE level than rest of the Indian citizen..

[Surprise]

Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

While I agree that they are right in clamping down on illegal activities, one of the incidents that happened a day or two ago looked pretty odd. They raided Sparks (Hotel Savera) and Speed (Grand Orient hotel) for serving liquor beyond closing time (is that 11PM?) and then proceeded to round up the customers (mostly s/w guys, BPO girls etc) and put them in lockup for the night. They were released only the next day and in the case of the girls, their parents were asked to come over to the police station.

I was told that cops were discussing among themselves about how take them to station and stuffs like that & later let them off free with stern warning not to stay at bar late in night.

http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews...GORYNAME=Crime

In todays Indian express it was mentioned that the cops has plans to take them to the station. When consulted their senior officers, they were asked to let off the engineers after warning.

[supremeBaleno]

The Hindu and The Deccan Chronicle mentioned an overnight stay at the police station. Not sure which is the correct version.

[mail4ajo]

The Police seems to getting tougher due the drunken driving behaviour of the late night party crowd. I feel this is well justified. You just cant drink all night and ramp into someone.

I have a classic example, I return after work at 2am or later. I regularily see this black Accord (heavily modded) on Saturday early mornings on GN chetty road junction going zig zag or driven rash. I am not dead sure whether the driver is drunk, but what I know is that the car is driven irresponsibly. What the Police needs to be doing is checking on such activity and spare the boozers after a hard day. They can have a check right outside pubs and bars to check drunken driving.

[Surprise]

Originally Posted by Mpower

For the cops its a question of "Us vs Them"

They live in a different socio economic category and cannot see India's westernization favourably....esp when it involves women in bars close to midnight.

This is all about getting back at them by humiliating them.

Forget about the cops.

Just wanted to find if there is anyone in this forum who don't mind in their daughters spending in bars late at night (let it be once in a month)