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Old 19th March 2022, 12:12   #1051
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Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war

Story so far,
Le western media,
Ukrainian killed Russian personnel with weapons and arms - Brave Ukrainians, brave leader, underprepared Russian forces,
Russian army killed Ukrainian citizen [carrying arms] - War crime, bad Russia, bad leader [I don't support either of the leaders].

As per my understanding, in a war, if your decision-making authority has given you weapons [lawfully] onus of considering you a civilian or not[strictly talking about the citizens made to hold arms] lies on the decision-making authority of opponent country.

These escalations and civilian casualties could have easily been avoided if "some" had decided to let the civilians--be civilians only .

I do not support Russia and it surely has invaded another sovereign country, but at the same time with my sane mind, I can not support the response and intent shown by the West and certain decisions of the Ukrainian government.

It does not make any difference but people who believe Ukraine a democratic country, no it is not.

If everything is fair in love and war, at that very moment love is over and war is begun.

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Old 19th March 2022, 14:40   #1052
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Yes they should surrender. That’s the solution for stopping bloodshed. Surrender is exactly that and it happens all the time.

Whether India or China should surrender in a possible war depends on the circumstances then.

Stopping bloodshed is the most important thing, whoever is right or wrong.

West is not fighting directly and they have only ideological/hegemonical stakes, worst case scenario they lose nothing and Ukraine loses everything.


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7. Some people argue that Ukraine should just surrender to Russians to avoid the loss of civilian lives. I suppose the same people will argue that we should just give Pakistan our Kashmir to avoid terrorist attacks and China our Arunachal to avoid border attacks. Pacification never works. If you don't stand up to your bully, you might never stand up at all.

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This is turning out to be a big point of concern for the US as its getting snubbed by big economies who prefer to stand with Russia than the USA.

They and the world in general would be wondering what happens once the war is over and how will things move post that? Russia will not request US to remove sanctions and neither can US remove it on its own and show a stand of weakness. So how does Russia plan to get its economy back on track and what plan do the other countries have who are supporting Russia to continue their business relationship together going forward amid sanctions...

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Old 19th March 2022, 16:32   #1054
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After Dostoevsky, it is the turn of Yuri Gagarin to be "cancelled".

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That stamp is Ukrainian by the way.

While Ukrainian and Russian lives are being lost, these clowns are busy proving the world why education and wisdom are orthogonal.

Next time you go to a pub in the West, be careful to not order that transparent drink that starts with V, lest all eyes would be on you.

"Looking at the earth from afar you realize it is too small for conflict and just big enough for co-operation." - Yuri Gagarin
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Old 19th March 2022, 16:56   #1055
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Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war

It is difficult not to discuss politics, in this discussion of Russian-Ukraine war. And discussing politics on this forum is against the rules of this forum, which is mentioned in Rule no 13 of Team- BHP rules which says
"Senstive discussions involving politics or religion are to be avoided". I, hereby, request moderators to take down this very thread.
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Old 19th March 2022, 17:31   #1056
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... "Senstive discussions involving politics or religion are to be avoided". I, hereby, request moderators to take down this very thread.
Difficult, perhaps, due to thousands of Indians having been affected on the ground, as well as India's national relationship with those involved and/or thought to be involved.
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Old 19th March 2022, 17:35   #1057
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It is difficult not to discuss politics, in this discussion of Russian-Ukraine war. And discussing politics on this forum is against the rules of this forum, which is mentioned in Rule no 13 of Team- BHP rules which says
"Senstive discussions involving politics or religion are to be avoided". I, hereby, request moderators to take down this very thread.
It’s already been looked into by the mods as below:

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Please don't stray into other political topics however related. We have given one time exception on Ukraine invasion because there is a war on and people want to talk about it. - Support Team
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Old 19th March 2022, 17:41   #1058
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Russia has used Hypersonic Missiles named Kinzhal for the first time to strike weapons depot in Ukraine. This might be in response to the deployment of US Patriot Missile Defence System and UK Sky-Sabre Air Defence System in Poland.

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This missile was launched from a MiG-31 Supersonic Interceptor Jet in 2018:
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Old 19th March 2022, 17:54   #1059
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It's possible that our leaders might send troops to support Russia in exchange for cheap oil and even arms.
Yeah, that can happen as a gesture of "good will and courtesy" because when HMS Eagle of British and USS Enterprise of Yankees came to surround India from both sides of mainland in 1971, it was the nuclear boats/submarine of warmonger Soviets(Read Russians) who stood in between us and the enemy.
It was the same warmonger who vetoed the UN resolution against Indian Annexation of Goa in 1961. Else NATO would have knocked our doorsteps.
So this stand by Indian government is morally legitimate and this is the only stand one can take if one is "not ashamed of its past".
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Old 19th March 2022, 18:13   #1060
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Not sure what this is supposed to be.



Just hope no one else looses their lives over it.
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Old 19th March 2022, 18:32   #1061
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Not sure what this is supposed to be.

Russian cosmonauts board ISS wearing yellow suits

Just hope no one else looses their lives over it.
Pointless propoganda when untrained ill-equipped civilian ukranians are dying because their leadership couldn't understand great power dynamics.

The Russian cosmonauts have clarified that they had yellow material which had to be used and they used it. They have not indicated any political motivations so far.Apparently it's also the color of the technical university that they come from. Maybe they wanted to make a political statement without getting in trouble at home.

It's up to the beholder to take what message they want out of this.

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Old 19th March 2022, 18:40   #1062
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If you compare pre-90s and pre-millennium, Leaders were shying away in lying publicly. Now even with Audio-Video evidence, Leaders do lie.

Some reports suggest the invasion is not Russia vs Ukraine, but Putin vs Ukraine. So, Russia / USSR has definitely helped India, but the leadership is not the same now. Secondly, Ethics and morality should be given priority over Politics.

@JithinR, got your point. Why should innocent people die because of Leaders?

Please note that Warmongers never get down into the battlefield. It is the hapless soldiers, who take the risk of life.
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Old 19th March 2022, 19:08   #1063
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Pointless propoganda when untrained ill-equipped civilian ukranians are dying because their leadership couldn't understand great power dynamics.
The silly propaganda is being carried to the level which borders on childishness.

Are these supporting Ukraine also?

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Old 19th March 2022, 19:15   #1064
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Yeah, that can happen as a gesture of "good will and courtesy" because when HMS Eagle of British and USS Enterprise of Yankees came to surround India from both sides of mainland in 1971, it was the nuclear boats/submarine of warmonger Soviets(Read Russians) who stood in between us and the enemy.

So this stand by Indian government is morally legitimate and this is the only stand one can take if one is "not ashamed of its past".
Given a choice, even now US/UK would have sanctioned India by using some rubbish reasons.
But they simply can't do. Because of sheer population size, we are the biggest consumers of everything. What valuation will Facebook/Instagram/Amazon will have if they loose Indian accounts. Worthless.

See the US priorities. The US congress did a 25 basis point cut. With 25 basis, you can't manage the inflation of 7%. That was done to ensure that stock markets don't tumble.

Same applies to sanctioning China. They can't because all of their products will have one or other part manufactured in China. China is not dumb enough to not know his economic power.

Russia was a friend even when India was not that economically powerful.

It's OK to loose business but never loose friends, that too who helped during the not so good times.

I don't do that. And same would be the reason for majority of team bhp members to support Russia.
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Old 19th March 2022, 19:54   #1065
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Interesting observation this conflict brings about.
Role of multinational companies, during conflict will not stay neutral. It is very concerning that these companies are towing the line of a single narrative, it is high time we start the process of de-globalizing the economy and business aspect.
I,am more concerned if by any chance india is involved in any conflict, What will narrative and repercussions of Google, YouTube, Amazon, Hyundai, whats-app, Facebook or even Shell. Will they still operate irrespective of conflicts between nations. It is high time, as one of the important learning from current conflicts never rely on something which is not native to our land. It is high time we trigger the process of developing our own social media companies, mobile os which serve the interests of our country, that cannot be dictated by any external agenda or propaganda.
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