[PreludeSH]

Shakib did it in cold blood. Umpires asked him if he is sure and even Angelo went and talked to him. I dont think he would regret it ever. In fact he looked satisfied after the result.

[ABHI_1512]

Originally Posted by am1m

Probably happened in the heat of the moment, I'm pretty sure if he had thought about it, he'd have withdrawn the appeal.

Yes, the incident has completely shifted the focus from pathetic AQI of Delhi to this dismissal, which was truly unnecessary and against the sportsman spirit.

The on field umpires infact asked Shakib twice to reconsider the appeal but he stayed put. This incident will now be a reference point for any future dismissal where the laws state something similar.

Angelo Mathews was furious during the press conference and he has also given video evidence of him being inside the time limit on Twitter. They are surely escalating this further. That such an elementary thing of replacing a helmet can be a reason for dismissal is simply not cricket.

Sourav Ganguly was once late to the crease by almost 5-7 minutes in South Africa while playing a test match. Graeme Smith decided not to appeal and the umpires were cool about that. Angelo Mathews was not gaining any advantage by changing the helmet and which is why it is very different from a non striker gaining some extra yards while backing up. It was unfortunate that Shakib appealed for the time out.


Related article below:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...319913102.html

[searacer932]

No problem if the game is played as per the laws of the game. If the rule says that the batsman should be ready to face the ball within 2 minutes of the previous dismissal then they should.

Also, note that Bangladesh were 2 overs behind schedule at that point in time. What happens if every Sri Lankan batter takes an additional 1 minute to face and you will end up in a situation where Bangladesh would be 3 or 4 overs behind schedule.

Also, Matthews is expected to check with the umpire or the opposing captain if he wants a change of equipment or wants a drink! This is as per the laws. He conveniently ignored this.

This is international cricket and not some gully cricket. Respect the laws and move on .

[ValarMorghulis]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

...Shardul Thakur vs Shami...

Sirrrr.... It was never between Shardul and Shami! Shami is a couple of classes above Shardul.
It was [Shardul + Pandya] vs Shami. Shardul and Pandya were supposed to give 10 overs and be 5th 6th bowlers plus provide cushion as an extra batter.

Originally Posted by VWAllstar

...Kane Williamson has to be the most selfless cricketer...Just not worried about his personal milestone after having watched from the sidelines...

While no one can contest Kane's niceness, I wonder if he had stood there for his 100 and more for 5-10 overs more, had NZ scored around 425-440? Which could have led them to a victory? As conditions stand in Bangalore, Thursdays match has a real chance of being washed out and then Pak will waltz into the semis.

Originally Posted by searacer932

...I think it showed a mirror to Manjrekar how not to be selfish. I remember Manjrekar's knocks where he just used to stat pad!

Manjrekar and Kane in the same sentence? Fie fie

Originally Posted by ABHI_1512

T...Jadeja is almost turning the ball square in the second innings just like that infamous match where the ball started turning in the second innings !!

The ball was no way near turning square! The pitch had a bit of bite and was turning ~1.2 degrees. It was Jaddu's pace (around 90kmpgh) and spin which made him unplayable. The pitch provided assistance but was nowhere comparable to the 1996 pitch.

Originally Posted by narayans80

If you saw the fourth/reserve umpire interview, he makes it clear that Angelo Matthews was already past 2 minutes when he came to crease before the helmet incident happened ...

I'm also a bit confused about this. What is spirit of the game thingy?

Applicable only when rules go against you? If that is the case, then scrap the rules.

People also moan about the non-striker run out, but if that gives them the WC final, I'm sure any team would resort to it.

[IamNikhil]

Spirit-of-the-game, gentleman's game, honour, courtesy, etc etc are all terms you hear when you are on the receiving end. There can be a plethora of complaints from all teams, but at the end of the day, no team plays fully by the rules. Every cricketer who is crying hoarse about the Mathews-Shakib incident would have resorted to the same or worse tactics. Most importantly, if it's there in the rules, the hoopla is just owing to the shock, nothing else, imho. Who would have thought that out of all who could wave the rulebook, it was Bangladesh who would pull a rabbit out of their hat!

[amahale]

Originally Posted by searacer932

Also, note that Bangladesh were 2 overs behind schedule at that point in time. What happens if every Sri Lankan batter takes an additional 1 minute to face and you will end up in a situation where Bangladesh would be 3 or 4 overs behind schedule.

Also, Matthews is expected to check with the umpire or the opposing captain if he wants a change of equipment or wants a drink! This is as per the laws. He conveniently ignored this.

Whatever time was spent by the batter to get ready would not have gone against Bangladesh. Same happens when a batter gets injured and needs short medical attention. These will not go against the bowling team.
So the purpose of the appeal was just to get the wicket and had nothing to do with being behind schedule. Shakib clearly mentioned this in the press conference.

Angelo couldn't have batted with a broken helmet. It was clearly a matter of safety and Shakib was aware of it. Angelo was not asking for a drink or change of bat or slippery gloves; it was a unusable helmet!!

The rule is in place so that the game keeps moving after a wicket falls. It's high time that the rule is modified. Ruling a batter out because he was few seconds late due to whatever reason is way too harsh.

Originally Posted by searacer932

This is international cricket and not some gully cricket. Respect the laws and move on .

Exactly; these modes of wicket tacking happen in gully cricket not in international cricket

I am not blaming Shakib here, but an appeal was not warranted here.

If we check all the the occasions Shakib has come out to bat there would be more than a few occasions where he has taken more than 2 mins (I bet somebody will be checking on this and post it on social media). He better charge out to bat going forward or will never hear the end of it

[am1m]

Just to clarify, when I posted about the Matthew's helmet incident, deliberately didn't mention 'spirit of the game' I agree that phrase has been misused a lot. Completely agree with the dismissal being legit, rules are rules. But there is no way Matthews was gaining any unfair advantage, so unlike 'Mankading' (which I completely agree with!), this is just a matter of common sense, that's all. And like amahale just posted, Shakib is going to be under the scanner for all his on-field actions now. Was that worth it? IMHO, nopes. But we all have our opinions of course. And that's why I said Shakib has done the TV guys a great favour, this will be milked for a long time!

[ninjatalli]

There are two fights to be tracked in the last few matches

1. Can Pakistan pull up their socks and fight their way through to the 4th spot by winning big against their last match with England. A very tall order - think they have to win by 130+ runs margin (assuming NZ will win over SL) to have a higher NRR over NZ.

2. The fight for the top 8 spots - that's going to be fought between SL, BAN & ENG with one of them eventually not making it. Every combination is possible given the remaining matches left. After all the ICC Champions trophy 2025 is on the line!

I'm rooting for Pakistan to get through so that we see another India - Pakistan encounter in the semi-final. Or even the most unlikely scenario that Afghanistan somehow win one or both of their matches and take the 4th position.

Originally Posted by am1m

Was that worth it? IMHO, nopes.

It indeed was worth (for him) given the fact, that, currently the top 6 spots for the ICC Champions tournament in 2025 have been set; the fight is for the 7th & 8th spots which is between SL, BAN and ENG. This was more or less indicated in his response to the reporter who asked him in Bengali at the end. Given their poor performance so far, this was kind of expected.

My bet is on the likely scenario that England will get through to the 7th spot (unless Pakistan put up a major fight in their last match with England), and the 8th spot will be between SL & BAN and the one losing out is going to get even more royally screwed, back in their countries, if they don't even make the 2025 cutoff.

[PreludeSH]

Wish some things are left to umpires. You dont have to appeal everything. Dont they declare no-balls ? They should do same for backing up before ball is bowled. Penalize with any run (4/6 or anything run) completely after declaring no-bat, raise your hand behind

[deathwalkr]

Meanwhile the Afghans are fighting on, holding their wickets dearly at 216/4 in 44 overs.

And congrats to the centurion.

[ValarMorghulis]

Originally Posted by deathwalkr

Meanwhile the Afghans are fighting on, holding their wickets dearly at 216/4 in 44 overs.

And congrats to the centurion.

I think this will prove futile. This is a belter of a pitch.

Afg should have shown more intent. 300+ was required.

[NomadSK]

Maverick Rashid gone bonkers. If Afghans win With this Score of 291 on the board and that too against Aussies, then they deserve the place in the SF's.

Can we have anothet twist in the tale

[SoumenD]

Can't follow the match on TV as am in office but have been following online & boy!!! Afghanistan is making a solid statement here. When the match started the probablity was 17:83 in favor of Australia understandably. Half way through and the story is totally different. I am rooting for them now



Are they going to do what Kenya did in 2003?

Come to think of it, Afghanistan were the best batting side against the formidable Indian bowling line-up in this world cup. IIRC they scored 272 while all other teams are barely crossing 100/200. Would be interesting to see them in SFs

[AtheK]

49/4, Wow!!

Come on Sri Lanka and England Defeat Newzealand and Pakistan, we want to see Afghanistan in Semi Final.

[VWAllstar]

I think the biggest upset this World Cup has been Bangladesh beating Afghanistan.