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Old 20th November 2023, 11:27   #796
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I wonder if there is a similar thread inside Australian Internet community discussing how to win or how they won a final, again, and again, and wait - again.

Or do they have it hard wired inside their heads and dont need to discuss amongst the players, management and general public.

Sad today for sure... Desi Forever!!

3 cheers to the new champions. Relish it, we meet in a few days again!
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Despite the fact that this is somewhat off-topic, we prevailed in the test series in Australia, particularly in the Gabba game, where we chased 327 on a highly energetic pitch
That was Australia's second loss at the Woolangabba.

We won because we didn't have anything to lose.
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I read an article that opined that India panicked, and I think that is correct! Once Rohit got caught and Iyer went cheaply - both KL Rahul and Kohli went into a test match - match saving mentality and never attacked - in sharp contrast to what the Australians did! They were 47/3 but they never went into the block everything mode!

This was just over thinking it and letting the magnitude of the day get over us!

Sad - but we were still the best team going into the finals
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Oh b.t.w did we have a spinner in the team ? after Kumble/Bhajji i dont think we have been able to get a world dominating spinner yet.

Feel sorry for Rohit and Kohli.
We did, just that he got only one game, the opening one, that too against the eventual champions: R Ashwin.

In the last decade or so, the Indian team think tank has been reluctant to experiment with the XI. Whenever changes are made, these are due to 'injuries' With the qualifications all sewn up well before the concluding round robin matches, it was an opportunity to keep the bench warm and select the best possible XI. Jadeja was a failure with the bat all through the tournament and his bowling was toothless since the semis. SKY has been spoken about quite a bit. With no testing of the reserves, it was impossible to tinker with the playing eleven in the finals.
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https://greatbong.net/2023/11/20/the...comment-194152
An excellent analysis. Must read.
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I was just reading all comments made by others. We can count so many reasons, be it toss, dew, bad day, larger boundaries of the ground etc. etc.

To me, one single factor which took away game from India was exceptional Australian fielding. They not just saved 30-40 runs but put Indian batters into immense pressure with their fielding.

At the end, better team and deserving team won the match and the cup.
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Bad luck. India played well throughout when pressure was less and wilted when it was. SKY should have played his last match. Gill was supposed to have won few matches given the talent he has but didnt click.

I think Indian team had some mental blocker and did not play how they normally do. Its also bad that we dont have a second string of players.
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We do. Just that, we have refused to play him in every knockout game or decider of any consequence. R Ashwin. If there was ever a match with the stage and the conditions to play him, it was yesterday.
Oh yes, i definitely think Ashwin should have played instead of Kuldeep, i was just referring to the playing XI not having a proper spinner.

The reluctance of the management to not tinker with the winning playing XI is something to do with the Indian mentality where we prefer taking subjective decisions instead of being objective.

Inspite of being aware of how that ugly pitch would play you are not ready to change your playing XI that's nothing but absolute lack of professionalism.

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I think most of us will agree we would have won if we were facing SA in finals. Just because SA chokes better than us when it matters. Aussies are just built different. The way they raise their game to Elite level when it matters most is inspiring and worthy to look into..

Look at their players. Head isn't a cricket superstar but like Gambhir he played the knock which mattered. Labs isn't a good white ball player but played perfect fiddle to heads attacking cricket. Even Smith wasn't out if he had taken the review. Their fielding was amazingly good. They gave just 12 extras in 50 overs. Compare all that to our side. Lackluster fielding and no evident game plan. They had perfect field settings and Bowling plans for everyone.

Our Coach was sleeping when it was time to make plans. Playing deadweight like SKY and benching Ashwin for Siraj knowing fully well how good Ashwin has been against Aussies and especially left handers. We needed 10 wickets and Rohit had no slips in position once score crossed 100. Look at KL not even bothering to rotate strike while batting and playing dots like a man possessed not to hit a boundary. You were 3 down, not 7 down to shut off attack completely. No attacking mindset in batting and Bowling. No planning. Can't win finals like that.

Why is Jaddu in team. I haven't seen him bat well when needed in a long time. Doesn't win matches with bowling. His fielding has been great but that alone shouldn't warrant a permanent place. Axar has been much better player than him in last 2 years and unfortunate he was injured.

But is bcci bothered. Nope.
So, I ain't bothered too.
ODI are gonna be dead anyways. No one I know watches them outside of World cups and with this defeat no one will bother.
I look forward to t20 which gives entertainment in short bursts and the real cricket which is Tests between good teams.

Can't wait for Pant to come back in the side. We need more people like him who have the strong attacking winning mentality like Aussies. KL isn't mentally strong and it was evident yesterday.

Edit- some more venting as Dravid said pitch was slow when KL and SKY batted.

Kohli was taking singles easily. KL didn't even try to take singles let alone hit boundaries. Why didn't they send SKY and Jadeja up the order against Netherlands when they knew they didn't had much batting match practice. Was coach and captain sleeping? Did they cared more about winning against Neds than preparing for semis and finals.

Why didn't they played Ishan and Ashwin against Neds to keep bench strength in groove. Why was sky in the team in first place. 3 ducks in a row. Ishan and even sanju Samson performing better than him in their opportunities but favoritism once again did the selection than merit. Why wasn't ashwin played on Ahmedabad slow pitch in place of Siraj who has done nothing great all world cup and is absolutely dead with the bat especially when hardik isn't there. These management guys only have excuses. Aussies had the execution so they won. Simple.

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I really do not know why, but I never followed this Worldcup and never watched any match. When the NEWS came that India won all the matches and reached final, I thought that they had a cake walk and the final with Australia will prove they are lacking something.
YAY, I'm right
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Old 20th November 2023, 12:33   #806
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What was supposed to be final, we kind of saw in league matches and it was like they got themselves drained in leagues so much so that final was a careless show match! With all due appreciation to men stood there to bring to 240, it was not what they were in leagues.

Once set in mind that we are losing, there's no way to get that charm back. Though there are controversies about captaincy of MSD, but he has shown how to manage emotions under pressure and still bring efforts to win. Sadly, those lessons are not practiced it seems.

After first 10 overs, it was clear that our fielding behaviors show that already they got themselves convinced that we are losing. Again, who is supposed to bring back the charm & passion to fight when it is tough? Every other over, team shall huddle & chalk out a strategy, when one fails, they need to get the other, I missed to notice that sprit last day. Lots of boundaries from Australia and our fielders not even running but lazily walking to pick the ball. Like others said, BCCI may got so much money but that is useless if they don't work up the morale and fighting sprit when tough situation emerges. Whether in cricket or life, real leadership comes in facing & winning tough situations and those are the moments that bolster positive confidence. Aussies shown that!
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ODI are gonna be dead anyways. No one I know watches them outside of World cups and with this defeat no one will bother.
I look forward to t20 which gives entertainment in short bursts and the real cricket which is Tests between good teams.

Why wasn't ashwin played on Ahmedabad slow pitch in place of Siraj who has done nothing great all world cup and is absolutely dead with the bat especially when hardik isn't there. These management guys only have excuses. Aussies had the execution so they won. Simple.
True, ODI's are on their way out. World cup win might have breathed some life into it but now whatever interest was left has gone out of the window due to the disappointment.

Aussies dropped Stoinis eventhough he had some good contributions with ball, can't remember the game but I think it was against PAK were he provided breakthroughs. Green got dropped too despite having the hype behind him. They kept adjusting playing 11 as the tournament went on. Carey is another example. Marnus and Smith were dropped alternatively as well towards the end to check out the combination. In our case we were always reluctant even after confirming the top spot. If not for Hardik's injury SHami probably would not have gotten a game.

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Old 20th November 2023, 12:59   #809
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The overwhelming majority of negative sentiments on this thread surprises me. What happened to the good old "We got outplayed"?

Ah if life was one big fairy tale where predictors and pundits dictated outcomes. But it's not, is it? These are just indicators. On a given day decisions taken can go wrong, things may not turn out in your favor. And that's okay.

The Indian cricket team is still strong with some exceptional talent. There are a multitude of ways to dissect the loss. Will they take back learnings from this? Sure, they will.

As the Japanese say Genchi Genbutsu (go and see for yourself) - Only the team on the ground will know the real reason for the loss. GO INDIAN CRICKET TEAM! I am proud of what they achieved.
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Despite the indescribable pain of the outcome, Team India displayed exceptional performance throughout.

In the end, Australia played superior cricket yesterday and rightfully earned the cup.

My solace are with the 11 players on the field and the rest of the country.

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