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Old 22nd November 2023, 11:35   #871
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I saw the clip yesterday. Huge disrespect to Pat Cummins leaving him hanging on the stage alone.
I had the same feelings when I saw the doctored short clip. But in the full video, it shows no injustice was done.

https://twitter.com/akkiman/status/1726447836429267304
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Old 22nd November 2023, 14:29   #872
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I had the same feelings when I saw the doctored short clip. But in the full video, it shows no injustice was done.

https://twitter.com/akkiman/status/1726447836429267304
Well said! It is customary for the dignitaries to walk off the stage to let the winning team bask in the glory. So this wasn't any injustice but pure protocol. People are quick to edit + share their versions for name / fame and it will continue for eons to come!
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Old 22nd November 2023, 15:16   #873
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Well said! It is customary for the dignitaries to walk off the stage to let the winning team bask in the glory. So this wasn't any injustice but pure protocol. People are quick to edit + share their versions for name / fame and it will continue for eons to come!
Please show the part where the winning team is basking in glory after the captain received the cup. And please show me one World Cup ceremony where the Captain is left stranded alone on the podium with the cup, waiting for the teammates to come, in the finest moment of their careers. It was awful to look at Pat Cummins for those few minutes. I saw the presentation live and not some video clip !!

It was the most disgraceful cup ceremony ever. If people canít see it, then either they are biased or they have never played a team sport ever !!

Imagine being left alone on a podium during the greatest moment of a player so that the chief guest can shake hands with the rest of the players. It should have been done earlier but then who cares. The Australian players just couldnít wait to go their captain in their finest hour, so much so they were in no mood for any handshakes.
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Old 22nd November 2023, 15:38   #874
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I will take the contrarian view here. Most people are saying bad day at the office, next time etc. The team played well throughout the WC and had a bad day.

Firstly, we can't compare the team to kids (who should not be criticized when they have had a bad exam or something) and say to let go etc. .. The team needs to grow up ... the team should accept the constructive criticism and change for the better.

It will be a bitter pill to swallow, but we SHOULD NOT have won the cup. We were probably the 3rd or 4th best team in the WC. The cracks in the team were showing from fairly early in the tournament.

1. We won 10 games in the WC out of just sheer luck. In fact losing a couple would have been better. The management would have woken up.

2. Rohit Sharma's uncanny ability to throw his wicket at a critical juncture. Sorry, for me this is not the ideal captaincy material. People will say he scored the highest number of runs as a captain. But do look at the number of matches played by a team before reaching the finals also as a parameter. The format of tournament - that will put this stat in perspective.

3. Extras and Fielding. Both departments were lacking. Overthrows, mis-fields, catches dropped, we were lucky that our opponents did more of that on the day. No genuine effort to correct ourselves.

4. Lack of match prep. What is to be the overall strategy for the game? No idea as to what length to bowl or what field to set to each player. In the finals we would have batted first if we had won the toss, which meant that they did not even see Pitch before the match. You can't just stroll in and expect to win. Middle order players not tested. Reserve bowlers not tested even in inconsequential matches.

5. Trying to fit T20 players into the team. SKY and to a certain extent Iyer. Both played with no sense of the importance of the game - WC Final. They were not able to shrug the IPL mentality.

6. The only silver lining, so to say, was Shami and Kohli for having achieved personal milestones! And Bumrah's superlative bowling. Nothing else stands out.

Sorry to say, but this team ran out of Luck in the final. Had they tried their best in all departments, their efforts showing, I would have been the first to say "Bad day at the office". But it was just an all-round lack-luster and severely mediocre performance in the final. A culmination of the myriad problems we had before the final. Which we chose to overlook rather than correct!
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Old 22nd November 2023, 15:54   #875
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It was a little unplanned. Were the players stopped from going to the podium as soon as the cup was awarded ? Usually they rush to the podium once the captain receives the cup. Not sure there was some security protocol.

Each player could also have been invited to the podium, given medals, have handshakes and then present the trophy.
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No doubt it could have been done better, I am sure it would have been totally different had India won the cup. Ideally after giving the cup, players should have called, or the digniatries waited till few team members came up.

It did feel very bad even in the real video, if not for modi atleast the Australian Deputy PM could have stayed back with Cummins. Look at how Fifa WC is handed over, not sure who was handling all of it, it was BCCI or ICC, but whoever did, they did an amazingly poor job at world stage.

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Remember when Sharad Pawar got hustled off the podium by the Aussies after getting the cup from him?

I believe the Aussie cricket board apologized later for that incident.

Was a bit surprised to see Zampa receive the medal without taking off his cap. Taking off your cap was supposed to be a sign of respect. But then what do i know? I am no world cup winner

But regarding the recent award ceremony I sincerely believe we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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Old 22nd November 2023, 17:27   #878
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OT: A sign of respect in one culture doesn't necessarily mean it should/must be so in other cultures as well. For instance, it is very commonplace in western countries to enter the house wearing shoes worn outside, or have your foot on your work desk (while you're still wearing shoes), or wear the cap while you do something important - all these indicate massive disrespect in our culture.

I feel, too much is being read into these things: players not taking the cap off (even Kuldeep didn't, when Modi met the team), or Aus players with the feet on the cup etc.

As someone mentioned, going off on these incidents, while subjecting families of the Aus players to filth on social media is just spectacular hypocrisy!
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I feel, too much is being read into these things: players not taking the cap off (even Kuldeep didn't, when Modi met the team), or Aus players with the feet on the cup etc.
There's an awesome article on the 2003 WC match between India and Pakistan. (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/a...rld-cup-501138)

One line from that article about the players' reaction to the news about celebrations post the match:

"Kaif is in a daze, but reports of wild celebration and rejoicing in India leave him a bit cold. Extreme behaviour is not good, he says. What is this? Sometimes abuse, sometimes worship?"

Go back on this thread itself and you'll see the absolute superlatives being showered on the team before last Sunday and the same swing to the other extreme post that. I guess we should be grateful that in 20 years at least those emotions are now getting dissipated on social media and forums and thankfully not manifesting physically the way they used to!

The team has become much more professional and clinical a long time ago. That's part of the reason they are doing better. Surely as cricket fans, we can also be a lot more level-headed 20 years later, both in victory and defeat.

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Old 22nd November 2023, 18:59   #880
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In our country today we have become very opinionated and not accepting diversity. Any time we look at anyone or anything we try to find issues. This is happening in all spheres of life and even if this is normal its getting enormously amplified with social media. It leads to a endless cycle of opinions later (including here)
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Old 22nd November 2023, 19:29   #881
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Moving on from India. Australians arrive in Sydney to what can only be termed as a yawn from the Australians.



You Pat Cummins, what a killjoy. Literally killed the joy of a billion+ people for some 6 and some change Aussies who cared to notice that they won a World Cup.

Contrast that with just this thread as a dip stick survey of Indian fans - its 4 days now, and they are still splitting everything from the pitch to their hair to figure what just hit them.
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Moving on from India. Australians arrive in Sydney to what can only be termed as a yawn from the Australians.

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=sFabngXfzcM

You Pat Cummins, what a killjoy. Literally killed the joy of a billion+ people for some 6 and some change Aussies who cared to notice that they won a World Cup.

Contrast that with just this thread as a dip stick survey of Indian fans - its 4 days now, and they are still splitting everything from the pitch to their hair to figure what just hit them.
They are used to of winning cups while our country is starving for it for the last 10 years. Cricket isn't the no.1 sport for Aussies while it is for us. Maybe that's why the fan support and expectations differ every time.
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Moving on from India. Australians arrive in Sydney to what can only be termed as a yawn from the Australians.

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=sFabngXfzcM

You Pat Cummins, what a killjoy. Literally killed the joy of a billion+ people for some 6 and some change Aussies who cared to notice that they won a World Cup.
As mentioned in a couple of posts above, what's the norm in one country doesn't have to be the norm everywhere. Part of the Australian team is staying back in India to play the T20 matches and then some of the team are travelling to their respective states where they come from. Taking this into account, there is no chance to have the entire team present for a grand homecoming.

EDIT: I'd also add that cricketers are not worshipped in Australia, unlike the case in India. For that matter, even a global Hollywood star like Margot Robbie was not mobbed when she was visiting the Gold Coast. She drove around herself in a non-descript Nissan X-Trial, ate at a cafe and continued life as a normal human being.

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Just assume that as father, one is happy that the kid comes first in class in all the exams/tests all through the year and fails in the final board exams. Will the father praise the kid for previous triumph and say 'Chalo beta agla saal dekhenge' or whack the kid and ask why the kid failed in the final board?
I feel bad for the parents and children who think the latter is the right and only approach. The children could then go on to repeat this when they become parents. I'm glad I wasn't subjected to this treatment.

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I mean...why not? If the kid has been acing his exams before then, something must have drastically changed that affected their Board exam performance, right? I would be more concerned than angry, and would try to solve the specific issue so that the child could perform better in their next attempt.

Of course a better analogy here would be that the kid who stood first throughout came second in his Boards (not failed, which is a completely different story). Of course there are parents (and students) who treat that as some kind of abject failure but thankfully I am not one of them (neither are most people!). In which case you tell the kid, not the end of the world, you did your best, whoever came first was better on the day...exactly the things you'd expect the Indian cricket team to be told right now. They did not disgrace themselves by any stretch of the imagination.
+100

I don't know much about cricket but looking at the comments here I wanted to share the below response from an NBA player while addressing "failure".

Why an NBA star's response to a reporter's question about losing hit a nerve



https://www.gpb.org/news/2023/05/01/...sing-hit-nerve

What's the big deal?

In a 128-126 upset, the Miami Heat win knocked the Bucks out of the playoffs. But it was Antetokounmpo's reaction that people kept talking about days later.

Antetokounmpo, after being asked if he considered the past season a failure:

Do you get a promotion every year at your job? No, right? So every year, your work is a failure? No. Every year, you work towards something, which is a goal: It's to get a promotion, to be able to take care of your family, provide a house for them, or take care of your parents. It's not a failure, it's steps to success. There's always steps to it. Michael Jordan played for 15 years and won 6 championships. The other 9 years were a failure? That's what you're telling me.

There's no failure in sports. There's good days, bad days, some days you are able to be successful, some days you're not, some days it's your turn, some days it's not your turn. That's what sport's about. You don't always win, some other people are gonna win. And this year, someone else is gonna win. Simple as that.

So 50 years from 1971-2021 that we didn't win a championship, it was 50 years of failure? No it was not, there were steps to it, and we were able to win one, hopefully we can win another one.
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Old 23rd November 2023, 08:19   #885
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I am going to keep it simple. A miss is as good as a mile. Nobody counts the dinner plates in a tennis players cupboard. They all look for the " Cup".
Overcoming the final hurdle is what it is all about. In politics, if you try to contest 2 times in a constituency and yet lose even by slim margins, you will not get a ticket anymore. So its ok to cheer them up in the dressing room for a bit for whatever it is worth in terms of attracting eyeballs, but a winner is a winner.
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