[Lord-Lannister]

Originally Posted by am1m

Hoping for sound and light nuisance laws to be enforced in crowded cities like ours is just a dream. As a society we love noise and don't really care if our activities affect other people. You will not get much sympathy as the odd guy out who values peace and quiet. Better to do whatever you can within the home to minimize the nuisance and live on.

Hear hear! I honestly don't even blame the doggos too, given that they might not be getting enough exercises and have no other way to release their energy. I have two large cats, so I know on how hyper active our pets can get.

Imagine if the neighbour had taken the kind initiative himself with a little self-awareness that perhaps the 3 dogs barking into the night might be a nuisance to others peace and had gotten his/her own flat soundproofed. What a kind world that would've been, alas I'm sure you had to have hefty paid a price and work around needlessly for others mistakes.

Apparently, a problem in India isn't a problem as long it doesn't affect themselves.

Originally Posted by ninjatalli

I'm surprised there aren't more complaints from your neighbors and others who might be in a similar situation like you. However this is a problem that I haven't heard from a legal standpoint, although there seem to be local solutions always (using connections with local police and other means) for such cases I guess. How much it is feasible for you (given your past efforts) is a big question.

The building is quite new, and the last of the higher flats were quite delayed due to post-covid, however most of the in or around me have started with their interiors and decor, I'm certain once the neighbours do come in, the consensus would generate and we can complain better as a society problem.

In Society WhatsApp group, I tried to check if others from 60-78 are facing the issue, only got two-three other responses from the 60s flats who get don't seem to be getting the direct light beam due to angle. They sadly get extra light from the "Lodha" signboard instead.

Light pollution is fairly real though, our night sky is on brighter side on a cloudy or hazy day. More so than even on a full moon night. I believe as the city is on the rise in a quite cramped space, more stories would come up sooner or later - our Metro's construction flood lights are the second most intense lights that I can seem from kms away, pity the souls who live near by them.

Originally Posted by Red Liner

I hear you man, but we live in india where if a person dies its just wished away like swatting a mosquito. In such circumstances, i just usually do what is possible within my means and get on with my life.

On the other hand, stuff like this usually pushes me in the direction of finding a little cottage to call home on a mountain of my own somewhere out there. Now that is the right direction.

Ha, that is my retirement goal. I do love the city life in my late 20s but I do definitely intend to move to perhaps a more foresty places such as Vermont. Be living in beautiful nature, to perhaps only the natures sound instead of incessant cars honking by the road, or a trains loud horn and more importantly living a bit out of town to see the clear skies and visible stars without pollution.

For the moment, decided to just bid my time and wait for more neighbours to come in and complain to police/local mla as a group. Just ordered from IKEA some expensive but truly blackout curtains to drown my troubles away in the night.

I still however am salty that there aren't any repercussions to Lodha World Crest Society, their lights are either switched to high power mode through malice or faulty sensors, yet they're willing to live by without a care - and the wasted electricity and it's higher bill seems to be the only pinch to them.

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Word to the wise in spirit of this real estate thread -

We spend a fortune buying our home, a little bit extra too on the floor rise and then some as the builder stacks "premium" over the view specially if you have a great one. Kindly ensure to visit the premises or actual flat location even in under construction building in Day - Afternoon - Night to ensure that no such nuisance exists as thereafter you're on your own and potentially could affect the property value in extreme cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NAhhT31aSo

Taken y'day night at about 11:40pm, I was just too tired to care and honestly can't wait for my blackout curtains.

I do wish to say that it's not all bad though, the view in the daytime still makes me happy each and every morning. Something I cannot wait to share with my newborn kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtWEaps3oI

[androdev]

@Lord-Lannister, on a lighter note, consider it as a feature and not a bug. Some pay good money for light pollution!



A good part of the world has sunlight during the 'night'. Compared to the dreaded sewage smell or traffic/heavy construction/dog/party noise that our country is famous for, light pollution can easily be blocked when you want it or the view can be enjoyed when you are in a good mood.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by Lord-Lannister

For the moment, decided to just bid my time and wait for more neighbours to come in and complain to police/local mla as a group. Just ordered from IKEA some expensive but truly blackout curtains to drown my troubles away in the night.

I still however am salty that there aren't any repercussions to Lodha World Crest Society, their lights are either switched to high power mode through malice or faulty sensors, yet they're willing to live by without a care - and the wasted electricity and it's higher bill seems to be the only pinch to them.

You may also try to find out the regulations related to strobe light requirements on highrises. The flashing lights on the airplane wings are also very bright and from your videos, these look similar. For all you know, this might even be the norm.

But yes, light pollution is indeed on the rise. And many commercial establishments light up their buildings like it is Diwali all year round. One such place in Bangalore is KLM Fashion Mall. It is not an actual mall but a clothing store chain. Every one of their shops is covered in neon and one can't even drive past without squinting. I pity their neighboring shops and homes. I wonder if they get free electricity.

[nithin5497]

I remember reading about someone complaining about bright lights on Marine Drive post 11 PM and the BMC actually took some action. Maybe you could try with them.
On a side note, I thought the white strobe lights (Xenon, I believe) were for the day and they had to use red lights in the night.

[Lord-Lannister]

Originally Posted by androdev

@Lord-Lannister, on a lighter note, consider it as a feature and not a bug. Some pay good money for light pollution!

A good part of the world has sunlight during the 'night'. Compared to the dreaded sewage smell or traffic/heavy construction/dog/party noise that our country is famous for, light pollution can easily be blocked when you want it or the view can be enjoyed when you are in a good mood.

I know, but those all seem to be more stationary and not the blinking and flashing kind akin to the strobe effect - that is what hurts eyes the most and worsens the sleep if one is sensitive to the light stimuli.

Originally Posted by Jaguar

You may also try to find out the regulations related to strobe light requirements on highrises. The flashing lights on the airplane wings are also very bright and from your videos, these look similar. For all you know, this might even be the norm.

But yes, light pollution is indeed on the rise. And many commercial establishments light up their buildings like it is Diwali all year round. One such place in Bangalore is KLM Fashion Mall. It is not an actual mall but a clothing store chain. Every one of their shops is covered in neon and one can't even drive past without squinting. I pity their neighboring shops and homes. I wonder if they get free electricity.

I do intend to find out, as I'm aware of the possible aviation regulation on the high rises albeit the problem that I face is purely on the basis that for last 6-8 months since possession that I've only seen these regular blinking lights which are present throughout the city including this specific world crest tower and were fairly non intrusive to us as light wasn't bright enough to enter our space; however it's only since about end-april has that changed to a significantly higher powered mode and more intense light that I would say is comparable to the airport strip light? Something that doesn't seem to be on any other tower including their own 2 taller world towers.

I've ordered this mini light meter from amazon, so as to compare the light emitted when it's on regular mode as compared to the higher powered mode. The sole reason I'm unable to call cops directly is that these lights tend to have mind of it's own and fluctuate on it's frequency from reg-high to high-high-reg to just reg mode for day to suddenly change at night to high for hours.

Video doesn't seem to do justice on real world view, and without knowing if I can show the cops the same reg-high light effect in real time I'm just on a losing case.

This issue of Reg and High light is also quite confusing, as most people rightfully so assume that it's on par with the regulation, even I would agree albeit why would Lights suddenly change to high after months of hibernation - and if it isn't malfunction then it could be malice. Society doesn't seem to care to find out by actually calling in the manufacturer to check either as it doesn't affect them.

Oh, how I wish I could just attach mirrors to the windows to redirect this light to their own residences, I would bet 1000 bucks that they'd react within the hour of their own personal disturbance.

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The below picture was taken in Diwali, 4th Nov '21.
I'm not sure if it's noticeable but these are the regular blinking light as compared to the high powered ones, just as an evidence of this recent change. As a matter of fact, the taller world towers celebratory Diwali lights weren't even that much of a disturbance as are the current high powered light on the short tower.

Originally Posted by nithin5497

I remember reading about someone complaining about bright lights on Marine Drive post 11 PM and the BMC actually took some action. Maybe you could try with them.
On a side note, I thought the white strobe lights (Xenon, I believe) were for the day and they had to use red lights in the night.

YES! I believe you're talking about this news? I've also thought about trying to reach out to him, but sadly my problem persist with the aviation rules and I really don't know about them or how to tackle it alone. I definitely know that my 78 floor tower has the red light up top. Do you happen to know the legal clauses for the same? I would really appreciate it if you can share them!

Imagine the mans admirable fight against light pollution dates back from 28th Nov 2017 to PIL and resolution by Maha Govt in 13th Nov 2018 yet there seems to be another article dated 5th May 2019 that fight goes on.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/mumba...SAgH5E2vL.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/66598529.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/mumba...6IwLBXUrN.html

https://www.mid-day.com/mumbai/mumba...78?button=next

[easyrider]

Dear Team-bhpians,

I have a land in Kolar taluk (karnataka) which was originally a grant land and I am the second buyer. At the time of buying the p-number lands were getting registered but then the government stopped around 2010. I was not savvy enough about such details at the time of purchase. Now I am stuck with my investment tied up in it. I have been running pillar to post with countless visits to the Tehsildar/AC office in Kolar to get the Durasti/Phodi done for past 13+ years. Every time someone says "will get it done", I end up spending money/time on this. I also filed a writ petition in the High Court in 2019, however, hardly the case is getting traction. The file is pending at the Tehsildar, Kolar office. I am tired of greasing and greediness. Anyone here, who can help me with this process? I am desperate, hence checking with you all friends here.

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by easyrider

Dear Team-bhpians,

hence checking with you all friends here.

Please PM me and i will share the contact of a reputed high court lawyer who is not greedy and will help you out.

Cheers,

[efgritesh]

Hello to all fellow BHPians!

I want some advise on building a house with some basic units on a land that has been there with our family for some 20 odd years.

Plot area is about 60*40 in which i plan to do construction on 40*30 and build some four rentable units spread across two floors with an initial investment of about 50L. Rental yield is about 7-8K per month.

Up on doing maths it doesnt look very attractive, and to even breakeven the initial investment will be like 15 years or so. I have already accounted for interest earned upon initial investment and rent appriciation and avg occupancy of 11 months etc.

I know renting property comes with its own challenge and need close supervision so my doubt is if its so unattractive why do people invest in such buildings to rent them out, Or am i missing something.

[Everlearner]

Originally Posted by efgritesh

Up on doing maths it doesnt look very attractive, and to even breakeven the initial investment will be like 15 years or so. I have already accounted for interest earned upon initial investment and rent appriciation and avg occupancy of 11 months etc.

I know renting property comes with its own challenge and need close supervision so my doubt is if its so unattractive why do people invest in such buildings to rent them out, Or am i missing something.

RE investment is not based on pure math, but more of people mindset, sentiments, safety, prestige etc.,. Many people feel secure with some constant rental income which is not as fluctuating as MF dividends. Additionally, easy liquidity of digital assets make them more vulnerable to withdrawal in scenarios where its not absolutely required. For ex: People might withdraw some of their holdings for a foreign trip, but they will never do that by selling a property.

Of course, everything has outliers and dependent on persons mindset, but this is general trend. Its always best to have a mix of different assets.

[Chimera]

Originally Posted by adithya.kp

Does anybody have some feedback on HM Tropical tree, RT Nagar, Bangalore?. Pricing looks reasonable considering the location. But the construction quality looks average.

The pricing is quite high as only the area in front of apartment building is nice anything going towards jc nagar or Ambedkar medical College is quite average.
I stay very close by from there.
You can also look at resale apartment in the apartment block next to it, it's called white Houserl

[condor]

Question to folks in Karnataka who are familiar with real-estate matters:

I am trying to check the current guidance value of land in KA. Kaveri Online shows the values from FY 2018-19.

1. Is there any online source to check the values for FY2022-23 ?
2. Any idea of the rate of increase YoY from 2018-19 to now ?

Note: I am aware that there was a 3 month reduction in the values in early 2022. Please skip this part and let me know the increases YoY since 2018

[adithya.kp]

Thanks. Not sure if I agree on the location not being good. Its in proper RT Nagar. Despite that, its not selling well. I heard majority of the apartments in block B are on rent. (land owner share)
White house is very old now. Also its crowded with 500+ apartments. That is the USP of HM Tropical tree. It has only 80 units. Actually embassy heaven ( which is next to it) is very good even though its older than HM tropical. But at 4 crores, its very expensive.

Originally Posted by Chimera

The pricing is quite high as only the area in front of apartment building is nice anything going towards jc nagar or Ambedkar medical College is quite average.
I stay very close by from there.
You can also look at resale apartment in the apartment block next to it, it's called white Houserl

[Chimera]

Maybe we can have a chat about it ,let me know if you will be in that area sometime would be happy to meet up.
Have a nice day.

[adithya.kp]

Hi Guys,
I am looking to buy a property. My lawyer gave the green signal after checking the documents. But I am not completely convinced with the seller. ( He is a businessman and boasts about his net-worth/company, contacts with influential people etc. I doubt his claims. Also, I found some discrepancy in some of the other things that he claimed. (not related to the property under question)). I dont know if I am over analysing the situation. Questions.

1. How important is the profile of the seller in property transactions? Do you guys do any background check while buying the property?. How do you do ?
2. Are there any agencies that do some forensic check? ( I heard a similar thing exists for marriage proposals)

[nagr22]

Originally Posted by adithya.kp

Hi Guys,
I am looking to buy a property. My lawyer gave the green signal after checking the documents. But I am not completely convinced with the seller.
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1. How important is the profile of the seller in property transactions? Do you guys do any background check while buying the property?. How do you do ?

I personally don't trust lawyers unless he/she is well known to me. Most property lawyers just check the docs presented to them and do little to verify whether those docs are genuine or forged. I am not saying your lawyer is bad, just do your own background checks on top of whatever the lawyers claim. You can start by downloading the EC for this property from Kaveri portal: https://kaverionline.karnataka.gov.in

Here you can find whether the property is indeed in the sellers name and if there are any mortgages etc. The profile of the seller matters too. Find out how he acquired that property, who are the co owners (if any), visit the property and casually talk to neighbors or nearby shopkeepers to understand if the property is under any dispute/marked for acquisition for roadwidening etc.. No lawyer will go to this extent of verifying but hey, it's your hard earned money. If you get bad vibes, my suggestion is to back out - India has no scarcity of property yet. All the best