[JazzXBlore]

Originally Posted by Oxy

If this is in Bangalore, then one of my friends would be interested. But he has a senior profile having 8+ years of experience. He is currently put up in Delhi and wants to relocate to Bangalore.

PS: I don't think anyone can PM you yet because you are still a "Newbie". Please PM me your email ID where I can send you his resume. Which company is this by the way?

Yes, this is Bangalore. Some of the profiles have openings for senior people (upto 12 yrs. of exp). Unfortunately (I just realized that) due to being a "Newbie" I am not able to PM you as well, the email options are not active for me. Is there any other way of sharing information? Else you can email the resume on "ashgeek57@gmail.com" (Mods - Please share the email ID above to Oxy, if there's a better way than directly posting it)

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by JazzXBlore

Yes, this is Bangalore. Some of the profiles have openings for senior people (upto 12 yrs. of exp). Unfortunately (I just realized that) due to being a "Newbie" I am not able to PM you as well, the email options are not active for me. Is there any other way of sharing information? Else you can email the resume on "ashgeek57@gmail.com" (Mods - Please share the email ID above to Oxy, if there's a better way than directly posting it)

Thanks very much.

I have emailed you his resume, please do the needful.

Can you also email me the name of this company?

[Shivank]

Originally Posted by khoj

But they do and people end up being maintenance specialists with the responsibility of ensuring that all assembly lines are up and running. Apart from this not much scope in India, of course with time the designation and pay-scale will increase but the essence of the job will be more or less the same. You could also go join one of the earth moving machinery majors and who knows could end up heading their service network. Yay what fun

If you seriously want to get in to automotive field as in on the design, R&D side etc. etc. you need a degree from one of the universities in Germany, Austria, France or the UK and then get in to either one of the major motor car manufacturers or one of the component manufacturers or some of the independent design companies as that is where the real cutting edge design work is done. If you luck out you could end up joining one of the F1 teams, remember UK above, that is where a majority of them are based. You could do this in the US too and then the field will be wider, what with a lot of earth moving, industrial heavy mobile machinery, aviation and defense industry too coming in to play. Do some research and you will see a clear pattern which identifies universities from where the auto majors in EU and US traditionally pick up engineers. You could plan to do your masters there.

In India the one company that comes to mind is Cosworth India Pvt. Ltd. They have a new(ish) set up in Poona and they just might be the only bet who will not turn in to a copy and paste component manufacturing line. Cummins, also based in Poona can be another great prospect. Few years ago they were woking on some very interesting projects to develop engines for the defense forces. Basically a cut and paste from designs out of their US mothership but with a lot of Indian tadka. I am sure, currently too they will have something interesting going on. Apart from these there are many other MNC component manufacturers here such as Delphi, Bosch, Federal Mogul and others like AVL who do engine / engine design analysis etc and any of these could be stepping stones to better opportunities in the field. Coming back to the Indian auto industry, Mahindra could be Nirvana country for you if you can get in. It is a very dynamic organisation and is scaling up in almost all verticals. This ensures that a lot of opportunities will spring up in-house in the near future.

That was a long and brief counselling. Thank you very much for the guidance sir.

I have been told by many of the seniors to complete higher studies and then aim at the biggies. I am planning to join automotive universities in either Germany or U.K. As of now, have already missed the dates of major exams like GRE. Also, I want to be at the ground for one year at least. To understand the know-how and then take a step forward. I am sure there is atleast one place for me in the automotive firm.

Mahindra is surely a cut-above other Indian manufactures. Getting there is quite a task I guess. I was going through Mr. Pawan Goenka's interview in some magazine where he mentioned picking the 'cream' from Top-30 colleges in India. Forget top 30, my college is not even in the Top-50s.

Originally Posted by vishwasvr

Hello Shivank,

Please PM your CV/resume. I will try my best to help you out.

Regards,
Vishwas

Thanks for showing interest sir.

You have a PM. I hope there's something related to automobiles for me.

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[DigitalDragon]

Originally Posted by khoj

But they do and people end up being maintenance specialists with the responsibility of ensuring that all assembly lines are up and running. ...... Mahindra could be Nirvana country for you if you can get in. It is a very dynamic organisation and is scaling up in almost all verticals. This ensures that a lot of opportunities will spring up in-house in the near future.

With all due respect, I partially agree with you. I am working in Automotive industry for several years now and there are ample opportunities in this field NOW. Elaborated below.

Originally Posted by Shivank

Earlier I used to hear a lot about Mechanical Engineering. That this is the evergreen field and will not go down like the IT world etc.

Now, as I am about to complete my graduation in ME, none of the companies related seem interested in us freshers. I don't want to end-up in IT. A strict NO from my side. What alternatives do I have?

I so want to work in Automobile sector but as of now it looks like none of the firms pick freshers!!

@ Shivanik - First of all Please don't lose heart. While the job market is dominated by IT industry there are still decent career options in core engineering.

From your brief note, you have mentioned you are ME in Mechanical and want to be automobile sector - There is a thin line between automobile and automotive industry sectors. I am not very sure on the career aspects in the automobile sector - typically I can think of, as Khoj mentioned, the options are service, maintenance, sales or after sales kind of stuffs.

I can vouch for Automotive Sector career profile. If you are interested you can opt to be on the product development side of automotive industry. Every OEM, now-a-days is opening its R&D center in India. To name a few, present requirements are in Volkswagen (Pune), Renault-Nissan (Chennai), GM (Bangalore), Ford (Chennai), Mercedes (Pune & Bangalore), Daimler (Chennai), Peugeot (Pune), Volvo (Bangalore) and so on. Few months back Volvo had gone for an off campus drive specifically for freshers. The career growth is almost similar to the IT (I meant position and portfolio wise, But not package wise which is a bit difficult in core engineering). But due to sudden need of resources and lack of it has actually pushed the package also to a higher side.

Nevertheless, If you have an option, Doing a PhD overseas is definitely worth.

I am working with a company which supports many Global OEM's in their engineering (R&D and Product Development) activities.

Please let me know if I can be of any help to you.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by markmytravel

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Is this for folks who are already in the US?

Or is it that someone currently working in India can also apply. If so, will the company sponser the visa?

[markmytravel]

Originally Posted by Oxy

Is this for folks who are already in the US?

Or is it that someone currently working in India can also apply. If so, will the company sponser the visa?

Oxy,
This is for folks in US. It's an urgent requirement so we do not have time for Visa processing.

[Shivank]

Originally Posted by DigitalDragon

@ Shivanik - First of all Please don't lose heart. While the job market is dominated by IT industry there are still decent career options in core engineering.

From your brief note, you have mentioned you are ME in Mechanical and want to be automobile sector - There is a thin line between automobile and automotive industry sectors. I am not very sure on the career aspects in the automobile sector - typically I can think of, as Khoj mentioned, the options are service, maintenance, sales or after sales kind of stuffs.

The career growth is almost similar to the IT (I meant position and portfolio wise, But not package wise which is a bit difficult in core engineering). But due to sudden need of resources and lack of it has actually pushed the package also to a higher side.

Nevertheless, If you have an option, Doing a PhD overseas is definitely worth.

I am working with a company which supports many Global OEM's in their engineering (R&D and Product Development) activities.

Please let me know if I can be of any help to you.

Thanks for your valuable suggestion sir.

I will be completing my bachelors in mechanical engineering by mid-2012. And not ME as you thought. Sorry, didn't mention it earlier. Guess you confused fresher with ME.

And that's the problem, you see. I mean for a bachelor it's very difficult to break-into this industry. Or, the people around me are saying so. I have seriously got no clue as to what to do next. What I sorely miss is suggestion and guidance? Every one with who I discuss these things knows that I plan to be an automobile engineer. But what do an automobile engineer do, nobody knows clearly, not even me if I am honest. There must be like hundred of works for an engineer to do inside an automobile plant. Of these which one suits me the best is still oblivion. R&D is the last word which I get to hear a lot from other wannabe automobile engineers.

I have no problems with fixing anyone's car as well. Wish, I were that talented. We as engineers have learnt zilch in terms of practical knowledge. Without doing some specialized course, a mechanical engineer is not even qualified for a job to fix a spark plug. It's true. If I have learnt anything about automobiles during my college years it's from outside and not from daily dreadful lectures.

Honestly, I don't care about how much the employer is willing to pay. As long as I am happy doing the job I am fine. May be, I am too young to understand the value of money or plain immature. But seriously, not planning to do any other job unless or until forced by the conditions around to do so.

Without being sounding too emotional , I just want to know one thing from you guys, who are already working with auto-majors. I am for sure dropping next year, not directly going for the higher studies. ME from some good/reputed automobile college in Germany is what I have planned for the year 2013. Meantime, do I have any options or jobs in automobile sector? If I get a good job, I might as well drop or postpone my future plans. The thing is though-Is there any job available?

[vishwasvr]

Originally Posted by Shivank

Thanks for your valuable suggestion sir.

I will be completing my bachelors in mechanical engineering by mid-2012. And not ME as you thought. Sorry, didn't mention it earlier. Guess you confused fresher with ME.

And that's the problem, you see. I mean for a bachelor it's very difficult to break-into this industry. Or, the people around me are saying so. I have seriously got no clue as to what to do next. What I sorely miss is suggestion and guidance? Every one with who I discuss these things knows that I plan to be an automobile engineer. But what do an automobile engineer do, nobody knows clearly, not even me if I am honest. There must be like hundred of works for an engineer to do inside an automobile plant. Of these which one suits me the best is still oblivion. R&D is the last word which I get to hear a lot from other wannabe automobile engineers.

I have no problems with fixing anyone's car as well. Wish, I were that talented. We as engineers have learnt zilch in terms of practical knowledge. Without doing some specialized course, a mechanical engineer is not even qualified for a job to fix a spark plug. It's true. If I have learnt anything about automobiles during my college years it's from outside and not from daily dreadful lectures.

Honestly, I don't care about how much the employer is willing to pay. As long as I am happy doing the job I am fine. May be, I am too young to understand the value of money or plain immature. But seriously, not planning to do any other job unless or until forced by the conditions around to do so.

Without being sounding too emotional , I just want to know one thing from you guys, who are already working with auto-majors. I am for sure dropping next year, not directly going for the higher studies. ME from some good/reputed automobile college in Germany is what I have planned for the year 2013. Meantime, do I have any options or jobs in automobile sector? If I get a good job, I might as well drop or postpone my future plans. The thing is though-Is there any job available?

Hi Shivank,

Please be careful when you mention your qualification henceforth. I had asked you to send your CV since you had mentioned you have done M.E. Unfortunately, there are currently no openings for freshers. But my boss has informed that we are planning to recruit a few graduate trainees in the coming days. I can't say for sure when this will happen.

I have been in your shoes not very long ago. So don't fret. I suggest you start working in, say, a manufacturing firm. Big or small doesn't matter. Don't aim straightaway at MNCs. You maybe in for disappointments. But if you are lucky enough and if you get a break (I really hope you do) then nothing like it. But if you don't, then don't lose heart.

Here's a bit of my story. I didn't work after my Bachelors and went straight to England for my masters. But that became a drawback since no one wanted to hire a PG fresher. I struggled a lot to find a job despite having a PG degree in Automobile design from England. I eventually started out with a small scale manufacturing company run by a good friend after job hunting for more than a year. I had to travel 80km a day and I earned peanuts initially. But I was fine with it because there was plenty to learn. I absolutely loved getting hands on experience and this really helped me understand my roles and responsibilities.

Manufacturing/auto ancillary domain, for one, really tests your skills, your knowledge, problem solving skills and also how tough you are. Spending close to 10 hours a day, 6 days a week on the hot, humid and unforgiving shop floor tests your mental strength. Spend a year or two and you will surely get a good breakthrough in an MNC. This way, you will be experienced enough and you will know what to expect. I know exactly how you feel right now. Mark my words, whatever happens happens for the best. I now work for an automotive filtration company based out of Germany, in Bangalore in the fuel filter R&D department. Had it not been for my previous experience, even though a bit short, I would not have known how to handle things here in my present company.

But please also remember that you need not compulsorily work for a manufacturing/auto ancillary firm to start with. I only mentioned it because you do not wish to work in any other domain. Please weigh the pros and cons and ask yourself if you are ready to face a uphill challenge. Don't feel discouraged about your predicament.

Wish you the very best.

[JVH]

Shivank,

Automobile Engg is a branch-off of Mechanical Engg just like Aerospace, Special Purpose machines and Electro-Mechanical systems. What differs is the standards for mechanical design, prototyping and manufacturing. For ex, Aerospace design will involve designing parts with mostly Aluminum and carbon fibre materials, specific to ATA regulations where the most important aspect is the light weight of the final component and minimum assembly techniques. There are rarely parts used of Steel. Even expensive materials like Titanium are used for the weight factor. Whereas Automobile design may not necessarily use Aluminum and has mostly steel parts. SAE norms are prefered and manufacturing is very streamlined (TPS). Special purpose machines like EDM, Semiconductor and Solar equipments are not technically challenging but customers basically look for reliability and throughput (yield) of these machines and hence operational mechanisms become the focus for design. Through these machines, companies target maximum revenue through spares, servicing, installations and start ups. Ex - Healthcare, Semiconductor and Solar equipments. ISO, ASME and ANSI are slightly tuned for each of the Industry requirements.

So, what I'm getting at is if your fundamentals of mechanical engineering are sound, you can be a great automotive engineer, aerospace engineer or any other field engineer. Only the domain changes and you have to just adapt the design techniques suitable for that Industry. For example, Airbus has its own inhouse design techniques in sync with Aerospace standards. Similarly Ford or Volvo have their own. When recruiting, the companies will not check if you can design an automobile part or a SPM part. Or whether you know CATIA or Pro-E. They will be interested in knowing if given a set of requirements, will you be able to come up with something. Like analytical ability and basic design awareness. Once recruited, they themselves will train you for whatever you may be lacking towards that job role/responsibility.

Now if you get a job in Automotive field, great! If you don't, no issues. But make sure the job you have is interesting and you are really learning from it. Ironically, in small manufacturing companies you'll get a hell lot to learn in a very short time. So, financially it may not sound attractive, but you will reap the benefits after you gain experience tremendously. In my first company, I hardly used to earn what I'm right now spending on my monthly groceris and food. But there was a great growth curve. I somehow resisted switching to software for a handsome package as was the trend then because of lack of suitable positions in ME. You just need to have a vision (which you have) and take a calculative step-by-step approach. As written by a member (DigitalDragon), now the opportunity is great because lot of Automotive RnD companies are establishing base in India. And the good news is that Automotive is not alone.

I have posted the above based on my experience. 2 years in manufacturing (shop floor), 5 years in Aerospace, 4 years in SPMs.

Unfortunately, we are on a freeze mode due to the expected recession next year. If there is an opening for a fresher, I'll let you know in my own company.

[Shivank]

@ Vishwasvr

Sorry again for the qualification part. I was referring ME as Mechanical Engineering and not masters. Anyway, I will keep that in mind from now onward. :-)

I would really like to work in any manufacturing firm. Trouble is no one is ready to pick us guys. Every firm I check with needs at least 2-years of working experience. If by manufacturing firms you mean the ancillaries then it might help. I completed my internship from A.G Industries, which is one of the many ancillaries for Hero Motors. They provide all the plastic/body panels and stickers for Hero bikes like Splendor, Passion etc. It is technically an automotive firm only. They have the best possible machines for the job. There's hardly anything to learn to there as every single operation is automated. Labor/Manpower is rarely used. The HR of the firm had asked me if I would like to continue there after the graduation. Job profile is to count if the 7500 parts are assembled together on time, or to inspect parts before they are forwarded to Hero motors. I could simply do that, but again, what do I learn? That's a complete waste in my honest opinion.


@ JVH

First paragraph was simply out of this world. I wonder why our colleges do not have professors like you guys. We are yet to discover if anything exists the other side of Lathes, CNCs etc. That's the maximum I know about Mechanical engineering.

One thing that I have really screwed up and now I regret doing is not taking the basics (fundamentals) seriously. I used to dream that I'd be a great automobile engineer someday. As a result, I read more about engines than lathes! I feel like this is going to trouble me for long. Am I right?

As of now, it seems the coming years are full of challenges. 2012 will be a hit or miss case. I am already out searching for jobs. 2013, I am most probably flying overseas for a specialized degree in automotive engineering. That is the only which way I see to enter automotive giants. Between 2012 and 2013, I am going to work on my fundamentals, definitely. It would be great if in the meantime I get some work in any automotive related, whether big or small manufacturing firm. This will keep me motivated, both mentally and financially. That's enough planned, rest will heavily depend on the opportunities and my work skills.

It's always nice to hear from the seniors. I have come across many a things which I didn't know earlier. You guys have been working in this industry for years now and it's of great insights when you share your experiences. Thanks to each and everyone for your inputs. Appreciate it wholeheartedly.

Also, pardon me if I anytime I acted naively. You see, I am a frustrated kid straight out of the college.