[B O V]

Originally Posted by humyum

I ll give you guys a little perspective from experience

Thank you very much for your experience Sir.That is exactly the kind of knowledge which I hope to possess.However I feel(Dead sure) that the B.E in Automobile Engg I have done is not up to par.My interest in the automobile field covers exactly what you've said.Market strategies with a technical understanding behind it.However its the hands on knowledge which I lack.All I have is what I've learnt from the books and videos.Practical knowledge would be Assembly and disassembly of the I-6 tata engines.Which I consider to be redundant.Thank you very much Sir for sharing your experience.Makes things a lot clearer for me.All the best for your future endeavours.

Regards

[mazda4life]

Originally Posted by somitra1981

Hello,

Need a little urgent help from you all.

My wife has got an offer to take up "Certificate Programme In Business Analytics" from ISB, Hyderabad.

The program kicks off mid September, we need to pay(50K) to confirm and block the seat by 29th August 2013.

Have you folks tried coursera ?, I would urge her ( even you) to try enrolling some of the courses related to BI like Statistics and then take a call. For example this course would be ideal for someone who wants to get in touch with the core subject again https://www.coursera.org/course/stats1
I think 5.5 lacs is pretty steep, purely my opinion.

[humyum]

Originally Posted by B O V

Thank you very much for your experience Sir.That is exactly the kind of knowledge which I hope to possess.However I feel(Dead sure) that the B.E in Automobile Engg I have done is not up to par.My interest in the automobile field covers exactly what you've said.Market strategies with a technical understanding behind it.However its the hands on knowledge which I lack.All I have is what I've learnt from the books and videos.Practical knowledge would be Assembly and disassembly of the I-6 tata engines.Which I consider to be redundant.Thank you very much Sir for sharing your experience.Makes things a lot clearer for me.All the best for your future endeavours.

Regards

You are welcome, The struggle is on, searching for something good to come my way. If only Indian companies gave a chance for an interview like the companies abroad do and then make a call, things would work out a lot different ( in a positive way) for some of us.

[revvedup]

I am a Mechanical Engineer who came out of uni three years ago, and then managed to gain a variety of expereiences, mostly in the the engine component industry.

I have had the good fortune to implement Preventative maintenance schedules in Diesel Injector plants, draw camshafts and rocker arms on AutoCAD Inventor for old Bugattis, Alvises, one BMW S1000 RR and repair and drive Porsches. And then there's the recent position, where I have had a chance to document the tooling and materials for building an assortment of lighting and control products for Airbus and Boeing.

However all along, what I wanted to do was to design engines. Like make test rigs and try out different injector, camshaft and ignition strategies . To this end, I read a book on engine testing instrumentation and managed to go to a few conferences in London, where researchers from different companies presented their papers on changing the world of engine technology.

Now that I am almost 24, I think it is time for me to start doing, what I like most. That's why I ask the question to any engine designers on this forum, where did you start ?

At which company, and designing what part ?

I don't really have a mentor to guide me through, or anybody who I know in my family or social circles who does this. Hence any advice that you folks can give me regarding this, would be much appreciated

[mac187]

Hi,

I would like to know which role has better growth prospects between Pre-sales (IT) and Marketing (Healthcare). When I say marketing, I mean brand management/ advertising and not sales.

TIA.

[sindabad.sailor]

I am a bit hesitant to post this one.
Looking at all lads in early 20s thinking so seriously about careers makes me wonder if at 35, it would be worth exploring setting up a business quitting an employment that has been our only domain knowledge.

We are a group of 3 closely knit friends, all seafarers, Chief Engineers of Merchant ships to be precise.

Money in job isn't bad. But having hit a level where there is no growth beyond and having lost the thrill of working hands on, made us seriously think of setting up a business.

We all have good exposure to maintaining variety of machines, Diesel Engines in particular albeit, slow speed. Thus the automotive section is a bit alien.

However we have had good exposure to reliability centred maintenance. We intend to set up an enterprise that will offer predictive maintenance solutions to Small Industries who do not have exhaustive maintenance departments. This would be in the form of vibration analysis of rotating machines, thermal imaging, ultrasonic/NDT and chemical analysis labs (Fuel , lubes, cooling water, boiler water etc)

Any advice? viable? We are looking at giving 1 year to this effort.
bani to bani nahi to Abdul gani... if it won't work - back to sea after a gap of an year.

Would like to get advices of some senior guys having seen / had similar efforts.
Any obvious traps? Is this particular market already flooded?

Rgds.

[Saanil]

Hi Guys,

My sister has just completed her 10th board exams and we are currently evaluating all career options. I was looking for some information on pursuing medical studies and was hoping to get that here (as I do not have many friends/relatives in this profession) – consulting a counselor is also there but I also wanted to do some research on my own. I am liusting below what all I know till now – so please correct me wherever you feel I am wrong.

So the usual deal is to study Physics, Chemistry and Biology for 2 years post 10th in a college and appear for undergraduate exam (with M.B.B.S being the most popular undergraduate course). Your performance in the entrance exam (i.e. your rank/percentile) will determine which college you get into i.e. if you want a popular college you need to do well. Now the M.B.B.S is a 5.5 years course with compulsory 1 year of internship. As far as I have heard, just doing M.B.B.S is not sufficient for career growth and a specialization is a must. Now, for post graduate studies (M.D etc), this is a further 3 year course which is again dependent on an exam. If you plan to pursue further studies (super specialization) then you need to add another 2-3 years. All in all, you are looking at a minimum of 9-10 years.

Now my questions are:

-Which are the most sought after colleges in India for medical studies? (For ex: For engineering, IIT’s are considered to be the best, so for medical which are the best colleges?)

-What are the exams which need to be given for entering the best colleges above? It seems that there are national and state level exams so need a clearer picture as to which exams to give.

-What exams does one need to give for pursuing post graduation?

It would be great if someone could help me with these queries and further more questions. I have gathered that Medical in fact required lots of patience and hard work. I need sufficient information to educate my sister regarding what all she should expect in this field if she decides to pursue this. Advice, suggestions, criticism welcome!

[ampere]

Before answering: These are just my views. I will leave it for the docs for more details.

Some notes on what I have felt :

- Medical is one of most rigorous of studies.
- The grind is much much more. Entry level bar is also very high
- Purely from a career point of view; and engineer can start earning much earlier than an medical professional.
- But medicine has its own charm and passion.



Now to answer your questions:

Originally Posted by Saanil

As far as I have heard, just doing M.B.B.S is not sufficient for career growth and a specialization is a must.

This is true. A PG is even more difficult than the already difficult UG.

Now, for post graduate studies (M.D etc), this is a further 3 year course which is again dependent on an exam. If you plan to pursue further studies (super specialization) then you need to add another 2-3 years. All in all, you are looking at a minimum of 9-10 years.

Apart from the usual MD/MS in various streams, you can now also look at Hospital Administration as an option. Something like a doctor's MBA !

-Which are the most sought after colleges in India for medical studies? (For ex: For engineering, IIT’s are considered to be the best, so for medical which are the best colleges?)

-What are the exams which need to be given for entering the best colleges above? It seems that there are national and state level exams so need a clearer picture as to which exams to give.

The biggest of all is AIIMS. Its has its own entrance. The other good ones include: (Not in an order)

- AFMC Pune (You have a bond with Defence on this)
- JIPMER Pondicherry
- CMC Vellore, Ludhiana
- MAMC Delhi

Other than the above, every state has few important colleges. And each state has its own quota depending on domicile. There is an all India entrance exam through which you can get all the state engineering colleges according the eligibility of state domicile. Apart from that you also have state's own medical entrance exam which you gives you entry to the state medical colleges.

I have gathered that Medical in fact required lots of patience and hard work.

Thats what I mentioned earlier too.

[Saanil]

Originally Posted by ampere

Before answering: These are just my views. I will leave it for the docs for more details.

Some notes on what I have felt :

- Medical is one of most rigorous of studies.
- The grind is much much more. Entry level bar is also very high


- AFMC Pune (You have a bond with Defence on this)
- JIPMER Pondicherry
- CMC Vellore, Ludhiana
- MAMC Delhi

Thanks for your reply and completely agree with you - Medical is in fact challenging and here I was thinking Engineering studies are tough!

I am thinking of just explaining all these things to my sister and let her decide. Somehow I am very tempted to suggest her to go for engineering or try becoming a chartered accountant - in my opinion these are safer/tried & tested choices.

One of the most daunting task is deciding a career.

[ampere]

Originally Posted by Saanil

Somehow I am very tempted to suggest her to go for engineering or try becoming a chartered accountant - in my opinion these are safer/tried & tested choices.

Even clearing a CA exam is quite difficult. But not having cleared a CA exam does not stop one from not working. While medical is a different level altogether.

EDIT:
By the way closer to medical, we now also have fields like Biotechnology, Bioinformatics etc which are an amalgamation of computing and with requirements in biology.

[drsingh]

Originally Posted by Saanil

Hi Guys,

My sister has just completed her 10th board exams and we are currently evaluating all career options.

It would be great if someone could help me with these queries and further more questions. I have gathered that Medical in fact required lots of patience and hard work. I need sufficient information to educate my sister regarding what all she should expect in this field if she decides to pursue this. Advice, suggestions, criticism welcome!

If you're looking for a "cool profession" this is not it. The days of "ek bar medical college mein select ho jao, phir to gadha bhi doctor ban jaayega" are over. (this is what my professor told me in 12th!)


Secure jobs like my parents generation had for doctors are over.

Govt jobs for mbbs grads are mostly rural jobs not suitable for girls at all. No infrastructure, sexual harassment, no protection, poor staff.

The major reason doctors put up with a lot of BS in govt jobs is due to pension benefits in the past. These are no longer available.

It's difficult to compete as an mbbs by setting up your own practice unless you go to an unserved rural area where you will compete with quacks, vaids, bams doctors prescribing allopathic medicine, chemists.

Mbbs doctors are paid well in corporate hospitals if they do residencies in emergency medicine /critical care. Corporate hospitals are coming up everywhere and need hospitalists as they need specialists to perform specialist duties only. You have to be willing to do nights and willing to handle the stress of the ICU and emergency.

Like every other field those doctors who do difficult things nobody else is willing to do get paid the most.

If your sister is willing to go into academia Medical college is a good option. The non clinical branches are paid higher than clinical branches. Relatively "cool job". But be prepared to change cities for better offers.

Govt jobs have become "dead ends" for mbbs except you may get quota in post graduate studies after 5 years of service . Specialists do not like to join Govt jobs if they have an alternative these days because there's no growth, no infrastructure, poor remuneration .No pension benefits. Work experience has no value in the advanced computerized corporate hospitals. Tertiary care centers like AIIMS and PGI are exceptions.


MBBS doctors have a starting salary of 45k in Centre hospitals in Delhi. Free rooms to stay. Residencies in Delhi are sought after by mbbs students preparing for pg or gaining experience.


It's getting difficult for small time doctors with OPD Clinics only to make a decent living unless you're very well known. Corporate hospitals offer cut price consultations with specialists to attract more patients.

If your sister likes science and practical work like cutting people open or putting tubes in different openings, opportunity is limitless, cause not many people are willing to take on the stress and responsibilities of deciding life and death situations.

My two cents.

[Saanil]

Originally Posted by drsingh

If you're looking for a "cool profession" this is not it. The days of "ek bar medical college mein select ho jao, phir to gadha bhi doctor ban jaayega" are over. (this is what my professor told me in 12th!)

My two cents.

Appreciate your response drsingh! Everyone with whom I have spoken to, have given quite a cautious nod to doing medical which is quite understandable. Hoping for more advice here!

[girimajiananth]

Originally Posted by drsingh

If you're looking for a "cool profession" this is not it. The days of "ek bar medical college mein select ho jao, phir to gadha bhi doctor ban jaayega" are over. (this is what my professor told me in 12th!)

My two cents.

Originally Posted by Saanil

Appreciate your response drsingh! Everyone with whom I have spoken to, have given quite a cautious nod to doing medical which is quite understandable. Hoping for more advice here!

May I suggest something ? I am not a doctor, but in my line of work I meet a lot of doctors . These people are called occupational health doctors or factory medical officers .

After MBBS , they specialize in a course called AFIH (associate fellowship of industrial health ) . Once completed they get to work with big manufacturing industries of various sectors including automobile , chemical , aerospace and many other pvt / public sectors .

The job of these doctors is to take care of employees health , prevent occupational injuries , and conduct periodic medical checkup for their employees (preventive health care you might say ). Women are employed in this sector too . Factory medical officers get paid handsomely with plenty of benefits.

I have met doctors from Toyota , TVS , Fiat , TATA (that is how I got to see all these plants ) and they are quite happy with their work .
Like any other corporate , this job has its ups and downs too. SRMC college in Chennai is one such college which provides a course in occupational health.
Google IAOH (Indian association of occupational health ) and you can find out more .

[Chetan_Rao]

@Saanil: Wouldn't it be better to ask your sister what interests her before researching options? She may not have a clear goal in mind yet - most of us don't when we complete Class 10, a lot of us go by what we're 'told' to do (disguised as 'friendly advice', of course) - but she would definitely have some ideas that may lead to something really interesting for her career-wise, if planned and executed properly. It's her career ultimately, and she would be more inclined to work hard & be successful at something she chooses herself.

The days of 'safe' career choices are over, and there are some really exciting career choice out there now, which were either just not there a generation ago, or weren't as available or viable. I think your sister should be the starting point of your research, not the receptacle of collected information at the end.

Of course you may have already done what I suggested, so please don't mind me saying it. All the best to your sister with whatever path she chooses.

[Saanil]

Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao

@Saanil: Wouldn't it be better to ask your sister what interests her before researching options? She may not have a clear goal in mind yet - most of us don't when we complete Class 10, a lot of us go by what we're 'told' to do (disguised as 'friendly advice', of course) - but she would definitely have some ideas that may lead to something really interesting for her career-wise, if planned and executed properly. It's her career ultimately, and she would be more inclined to work hard & be successful at something she chooses herself.

Do not mind it at all! In fact she is the one who told us that she would like to pursue medical studies. She says she wants to become a doctor and likes to study Biology! I am doing all this research because prior to this, I had no idea about how things work in the medical field.

Agree to your idea that there are almost infinite number of career options. That is where the issue comes up - when you have too many choices! Sometimes even I wonder that how can someone choose a career path just after passing out 10th standard - hell I am 25 years old now and I am still not sure what I want to do in my life ahead. Anyways you have to make a decision now so