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Engineering colleges mushroomed during boom era and now as they go bust it is a positive sign in a way :-) only good quality colleges will survive. Last edited by amitk26 : 11th December 2017 at 10:43. | |
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| ![]() Just came across this thread, and perhaps I can digress a little to ask a question that may face many young Indians in future. These days one finds many success stories in India of someone that came from the village to the city, worked as a driver/cook/servant, raised children, educated them, and many of whom are now are in the Indian IT industry - and not just the call centre kind. But not many of these are engineers that are creative or inventive enough to design the tools/robots that are supposed to take away many coding jobs in the days ahead as is being said everywhere. Now, these Indians are marrying out of their usual arranged marriage systems and marrying colleagues, and to all intents and purposes, living a much better life than their parents, and a MUCH better one than their grandparents in villages. All well and good, and it is also good to see. But the question that keeps coming in my mind these days is how secure is their future with all the upheavals that the Indian IT industry has begun to see? Are they going to become casualties as well as successes? Last edited by tsk1979 : 11th December 2017 at 12:02. |
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![]() Employees who entered the IT industry a couple of decades back might just scrape though to retirement but for the future generations, it is a different ball game all together. Last edited by AltoLXI : 11th December 2017 at 11:31. | ||
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I don't worry about future generations, they will find another way to a job, or remain jobless. Let me correct that - I don't worry about them in the same way. But these are people that have just found their feet, and if footing is lost they will be in a different set of problems. If the cheese starts moving and they can't move, what happens to them? No one will bother retraining them, even where possible. And retirement is decades away. Last edited by tsk1979 : 11th December 2017 at 12:02. | |
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![]() Since I run a software company in a village, I see a lot of first generation engineers. Lot of them are kids of drivers, carpenters, painters, tailors, etc. Fortunately, programming talent is not restricted to rich/middle class. In fact, these kids are lot more resilient to recession because of their humble upbringing. Most of them spend carefully, and don't assume the party will continue forever. It may be also because most of them live with or close to parents. I can't comment on what they do in cities. | |||
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| ![]() I feel that is something only Time can tell. No one can answer that definitively. A lot depends on the person, how much foresight s/he has and also how they react when pressed against the wall. Give up or adapt and fight back? |
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(1) If a CSE graduate does not know lists , trees , search and sorts and order of algorithms it means he did not pay attention to most important part of his syllabus. In a fresher interview for a coder I find this is more relevant than how good he/she was as a organizer of college fest or curator of college magazine content. (2) At-least in the type of programming environment I have worked optimization for performance and memory is the routine work. Usually a quick prototype emerges and months are spent on optimizing it to perform with in specified boundaries or time , power consumption and memory. Even if you are not a device based company but a cloud based startup choosing right algorithms can make a lot of difference in the bills which AWS / Azure will generate. | |
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Anybody who has followed my posts in this thread since 8 years, would remember that 50% of the candidates I get don't even know which century they are living in. Why would I waste my time asking puzzles? ![]() Since 2004, I have only hired freshers from various 4-tier colleges. Some of them have reached director level now. So I have had the opportunity to watch them grow as professionals all the way. I don't know how many of you get to hire fresh programmers and then watch them grow for 5-10-15 years. I have had that privilege. And it has forced me to change my beliefs over the time. I have often seen some average-sounding people bloom after 1-2 years of training and become extremely good. You have to keep in mind that our engineering college are down right pathetic when it comes to teaching. So I expect nothing from them. If a fresher can explain SLL/DLL implementation, I would be thrilled. Most of time the reply is "I remember hearing about linked list, but that was long ago...". | |
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| ![]() Even with tier 3/4 collages, it is now very easy to recruit good students. A simple online coding test is a great filtering tool. Even a bad collage will have 1 or 2 good students in each batch. Such tests make it easy to find those and take them through rest of the technical interviews. Quote:
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My experience is very different. My company is located in a village, we attract applications from colleges within 100kms. Those who come from far, usually don't have any strong reason to move to this remote location. We stopped hiring people from far away because they either didn't join or left within weeks. When we were in Bangalore (until 2006), we used to get 10,000+ online applications in matter of couple weeks, after we advertise the opening. But because of our location, we never get more than 400 applications over 4 months of recruiting drive. Last edited by Samurai : 11th December 2017 at 19:49. | |
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From my experience with product development; you can expect to easily get 50 developers from these 10k (with online tests). And out of 50, 4 - 5 can be hired after interviews. | |
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When it comes to jobs we follow a "entitlement" system, where we assume that jobs belong to people who "deserve". Blame it on the 70s and 80s when jobs were scarce and hence jobs were reserved to the best of the best. Even for a clerical job one has to solve puzzles, remember in which year Chandragupta Mourya died and the name of satellites launched by ISRO that year. The tests had no relevance to the jobs they were expected to perform, and was just meant to weed out the worst of the best. We follow that kind of recruitment process even now, only wanting to hire the most studious of the lot, without even caring whether the person is the one fit for the job. | |
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| ![]() Not now but till 5 years back yes I intervied from Tier 3 colleges. Seeing that there are 23 IITs , 31 NIT , 18 IIIT ( of all varieties) and at least 50 other pre-existing reputed colleges the total list of tier 1 itself has swelled and big companies can choose just to hire from them. Also from what I have observed in last 4-5 years there is a lot of awareness about programming contests and lot of students from tier 3 prepare for that. Coming back to point it is all about how a tier 3 college graduate is mentored, Few years back we used to have multiple round of interviews and in initial screening itself we told the candidate that please pick up some good book of data structures and algorithms in C and brush up all the concepts next round will be of programming. If a person could brush up concepts in 2 weeks and we notice a marked improvement definitely he has tendency to do self study and work independently so worth hiring. Last edited by amitk26 : 14th December 2017 at 12:04. |
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