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Originally Posted by vivekiny2k 1) you do realize that the interviews are taken by HR and a few selected tech personnel? If that's what it takes to get into a company, well, you should learn how to tackle them.
chances are once employed, you will not need to exercise many of the skills you may have learnt. but they still make a good foundation. unfortunately it's a matter of demand and supply and supply far exceeds demand. some people are going to be disappointed, that's the bitter truth. |
1) Then how will HR department know if I am good at writing code ? Or in short how will HR manager know that I am good for the job post they are interviewing me ?
This is IT field, where knowledge is very important thanks to ever changing needs and tools. Here, I wonder how a HR manger would know how much I am useful to company.
Supply, I lost a job in a computer MNC just because someone applied contacts. That human came after me, was taken simultaneously and then I was offered another post. Here is where I fully applied X and Y logic.
Things are bitter in real world.
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2) aggoswami, by your logic, if I can't answer a question on calculus, that would make the fresher more eligible than me?
In fact, I won't be able to answer any question on calculus because I haven't used calculus in 20 years.
Idea of an interview/written-test is not see who is superior. I am sure freshers have much better handle on discrete mathematics than me. Being from electronics branch, I have never studied discrete mathematics in college. All I like to see is whether the fresher is able to apply his/her knowledge to solving problems. |
My point is, if you ask for calculus, you must know it first.
If you dont know calculus, its not a problem. Fact is you must have sufficient knowledge about the topics you want your fresher to accomplish. It would not be an issue then.
The best way is to give the candidate a machine and tell him to write a small simple code. This will give out many details.
What I have faced is ridiculous set of questions. Why are you not score 90% in this. Tell me how can I take you ? Tell me what you know with just 60% marks ?
Here is where I have to get a bit aggressive.
Again I repeat, I am just putting up my experience and incidences about why IT field graduates face issues. I am not pinpointing to you.
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3) Really surprising. This must be a company run by someone who is not a developer himself.
4) Since this is BCA, most of stuff is really basic. If someone is interviewing a fresher, he ought to know the basics.
5) That is way off. Your expectation is baseless.
In this situation, I would be more than happy to do odd jobs to get a "foot in the door". Even if that means doing work that you don't like (E.g. I might not like tasks like converting PSD templates to html).
6) This is nit-picking.
See, If you want to be a developer you need to start small and handle these kind of bosses or companies. Once you have ~2 yrs workex you can jump to better companies.
7) That is if you are not from a collage that has good campus placement. |
3) Most of them are from are from developer field, but they are really not that competent. All of them want to become manager, but very few are really interested in developer field. And they feel after becoming manager they get superlative rights.
Here its very difficult to get to base of companies that are not very large.
4) Correct. It ends up in ego fight.
5) Yes, not the best of arguments, but I fire this when I feel they are demanding bond or if they end up asking irrevalant questions. Not a thing I use normally.
6) As long as its small issues I can eat them, but not bonds, not the bosses that are just not upto the mark. I cant take questions like is this what you are taught ? Cant you handle a paper properly.
Clearly there is big issue of exploitation. I cant stand there.
7) I am from MSU, Baroda. Its not that campus are not there, but I cant appear there becuase of past academics failures.
This is IT field, not a refinery or power plant or such industry. Here, knowledge is more important than experience at the end of the day. In engineering, an impeller will remain that only. An equipment worth 20 crore will remain like that for 15-20 years. Things dont change fast.
But in IT, those who are not able to keep themselves updated end up being bosses.
Also exploitation is the reason why people wonder if an IT professional has not changed companies.
Only reasonably big companies are able to deliver good work environment.
I agree that I am now too much rigid and not sufficiently flexible, tolerance is not the virtue I love anymore. But at the end of the day, I realized that those who are employers are not sufficiently upto the mark. I have given lot of interviews and can clearly say this.
May be I am not positive enough to get good opening.
But empolyability is low thanks to multiple factors. Things have to get restructured everywhere, from the root i.e. school. At college level, go for fundamentals and not marks.
In general, I have seen that Gujarat is not the best state to explore IT opportunities.
Again I repeat, no personal offense to anyone. At both ends, there has to be improvements. Its not that freshers are Gods. I have faced question like how to use Visual studio from freshers. I am not supporting them, but sometimes one has to suffer.