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Old 22nd September 2023, 16:07   #16786
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Could have played Sundar instead of SKY. This only 5 bowler strategy won't work in World cup.
Rather Sundar could have been included instead of Ruturaj, who is anyways scheduled to leave for the Asian Games. Ishan could have opened with Gill.
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Old 22nd September 2023, 22:05   #16787
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I donít understand the obsession of having multiple half backed all-rounders in the playing 11 like Shardul and Sundar at the cost of genuine batsman or bowler. If seven batsmen (including Jadeja and Hardik) can not win you a match I doubt the 8th one will do any good. India need four genuine blowers (Bumrah, Siraj, Shami and Kuldeep) in the playing 11 who can take wickets at any stage of the game and should not leak runs in the middle. Hardik and Jadeja are good enough to fill the allrounder spots.
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Old 22nd September 2023, 23:38   #16788
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India displace Pakistan as the top ranked ODI team, thus become only the second team ever to top ICC rankings in all three formats. Commendable achievement indeed!

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Old 24th September 2023, 09:40   #16789
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India displace Pakistan as the top ranked ODI team, thus become only the second team ever to top ICC rankings in all three formats. Commendable achievement indeed! [/url]
IMHO, these ranking are absolutely useless.
I'd rather prefer India win ICC tournaments than be number 1 in these worthless rankings. For reference, ask Australia and England.
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Old 24th September 2023, 14:57   #16790
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I donít understand the obsession of having multiple half backed all-rounders in the playing 11 like Shardul and Sundar at the cost of genuine batsman or bowler. If seven batsmen (including Jadeja and Hardik) can not win you a match I doubt the 8th one will do any good. India need four genuine blowers (Bumrah, Siraj, Shami and Kuldeep) in the playing 11 who can take wickets at any stage of the game and should not leak runs in the middle. Hardik and Jadeja are good enough to fill the allrounder spots.
After watching Shami fifer we need to play the trio of Shami, Siraj and Bumrah. Kuldeep and Jadeja forms the spin duo. Hardik brings the all rounder spot. These 6 bowling options are the best option. Thakur is simply stating useless with bat. He bats good once in 15 innings and his wickets are always on expensive side. Shami and Bumrah can throw the bat around. Kuldeep can also bat a bit so it's not like entire tail is useless. We need proper 5 bowlers and Hardik as 6th option.

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A rare feat.
Kudos to them as it isn't something which is achieved in a day.

Today's match has the pitch as a road and boundaries are small. Iyer and Gill are batting beautifully so far. Need atleast 350 here.
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Old 24th September 2023, 22:17   #16791
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A really impressive series win by our team, the team looks quite settled now with the addition of Ash. But one thing which surprised me most in this series is the bowling strategy of Australia. I mean we always talk about the lack of a sixth bowling option in our team whenever Hardik is not playing. But here is a team whose fifth bowling option is the part time medium pace of the likes of Green, Stoinis & Marsh. I think any batsman would love facing this combo of 5th bowler.

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A really impressive series win by our team, the team looks quite settled now with the addition of Ash. But one thing which surprised me most in this series is the bowling strategy of Australia. I mean we always talk about the lack of a sixth bowling option in our team whenever Hardik is not playing. But here is a team whose fifth bowling option is the part time medium pace of the likes of Green, Stoinis & Marsh. I think any batsman would love facing this combo of 5th bowler.
We are far from being settled. Ashwin is not a sure starter in the playing XI. We are yet to know if we can have Shami, Siraj and JB play together. Kuldeep has been brilliant and Jadeja carries weight & legacy but only 2 of Ash, Jaddu and Kuldeep can play. Australia will have services of Cummins & Starc for WC so this current bowling line up isnt the same we will get to tonk in the WC.

My playing XI for WC:

R Sharma (c)
S Gill
V Kohli
KL Rahul (wk)
S Iyer
H Pandya
R Ashwin/ R Jadeja
K Yadav
M Shami
J Bhumrah
M Siraj

I Kishan being a left handed batter becomes very important however where does the management fit him? Then the statement of Dravid of SKY being already selected for WC. We aren't Aus or Eng to drop heavy weights on few bad games.

Miss the flex of having Sehwag, Sachin and Ganguly could bowl and Dravid could keep

I feel Dravid & Rohit's XI could be something like this:

R Sharma
S Gill
V Kohli
S Iyer
KL Rahul (wk)
I Kishan / SKY
H Pandya
R Jadeja
K Yadav
J Bhumrah
M Shami / M Siraj

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My playing XI for WC:

R Sharma (c)
S Gill
V Kohli
KL Rahul (wk)
S Iyer
H Pandya
R Ashwin/ R Jadeja
K Yadav
M Shami
J Bhumrah
M Siraj
Really good eleven, picking shami over thakur makes plenty of sense. The only change I would make in my Eleven will be Ishan in place of Iyer as I feel having a left hander is important in middle overs, though Ishan needs to play with more temperament.
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Miss the flex of having Sehwag, Sachin and Ganguly could bowl and Dravid could keep
Then there were bowlers like Harbhajan, Zaheer & Agarkar who could always score those handy 20-30 runs. Really miss those days.
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I feel Dravid & Rohit's XI could be something like this:

R Sharma
S Gill
V Kohli
S Iyer
KL Rahul (wk)
I Kishan / SKY
H Pandya
R Jadeja
K Yadav
J Bhumrah
M Shami / M Siraj
I don’t think they will go this way as playing with an extra batsman will weaken the bowling. An extra batsman can win you 1 out of 10 games, but an extra bowler will come handy in 9 out of 10. It will be a big mistake if they go this way.

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Old 25th September 2023, 09:05   #16794
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I think the last two innings kinda settled the SKY debate. He is indeed an X-factor player similar to Pant. But SKY will not be featured in final XI unless Iyer or Ishan really flops.

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My playing XI for WC:

R Sharma (c)
S Gill
V Kohli
KL Rahul (wk)
S Iyer
H Pandya
R Ashwin/ R Jadeja
K Yadav
M Shami
J Bhumrah
M Siraj
No way Ashwin is going to play instead of Jadeja. Only option for him will be to replace Shami in final XI if itís flat spin track.
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Old 25th September 2023, 12:00   #16795
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I think the last two innings kinda settled the SKY debate. He is indeed an X-factor player similar to Pant. But SKY will not be featured in final XI unless Iyer or Ishan really flops.
SKY will definitely be in the final XI. They will drop Ishan to accommodate him. Dravid's recent statement indicates that.
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If seven batsmen (including Jadeja and Hardik) can not win you a match I doubt the 8th one will do any good. India need four genuine blowers (Bumrah, Siraj, Shami and Kuldeep) in the playing 11 who can take wickets at any stage of the game and should not leak runs in the middle. Hardik and Jadeja are good enough to fill the allrounder spots.
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After watching Shami fifer we need to play the trio of Shami, Siraj and Bumrah. Kuldeep and Jadeja forms the spin duo. Hardik brings the all rounder spot. These 6 bowling options are the best option.
Based on Iyer's 100 yesterday & the form of our top 5 - Rohit,Gill,Virat,Iyer,KL, I too feel we should play Bumrah,Shami,Siraj! And just hope Hardik & Jadeja come good & provide the late flourish since there's nothing left after them! This strategy may come back to bite them at some stage though.

Just take yesterday's example. They had Shardul slotted in to bat at no.9 , now if you had Kuldeep,Bumrah,Shami,Siraj slotted into bat from nos.8-11 there's perhaps no way they could have got close to 400! Iyer/Gill may not have gone that hard in the first 30 odd overs (small ground + weak bowling notwithstanding), both eventually slowed down to get their 100s is another story though.

Below is a good read of having to shut shop early due to lack of batting depth.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/m...er-was-1399631

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Australia will have services of Cummins & Starc for WC so this current bowling line up isnt the same we will get to tonk in the WC.
Never underestimate Australia in marquee events like the WC! They always bring their A game to the table.
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I saw a comment elsewhere, which certainly makes a case for Axar in ODI's.

The period mentioned in the comment was since Covid. I didn't cross check.
Batting:
Jadeja 177 runs – average 22.15, SR 57.5
Patel 300 runs – average 30, SR 106.0
Bowling
Jadeja 90 overs 13/411 – average 31.6, economy 4.57 RPO
Patel 100.3 overs 13/493 – average 37.9, economy 4.9 RPO

I also somehow felt Jadeja is unable to explode as much as we want from a number 7 towards the end. His strike rate over the period mentioned certainly lends credence.He is undoubtedly a far better filder but not necessarily the all rounder we are looking in ODI.
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Our starting XI at the World Cup will most likely be:

Rohit
Gill
Virat
KL
Ishan
Pandya
Jadeja
Thakur
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Siraj

The top 4 still have an element of "sameness" to their batting style, although Gill and KL have shown they can go from ball 1. Absolutely loved the way Gill took down Afridi during the Asia Cup!!

To counter the "sameness" we could play Ishan at 4. In case Surya is preferred over Ishan, then we could push Jadeja to 4, KL to 5 and play Surya at 6. Not going to lie, the prospect of Surya, Pandya and KL going hard in the last 15-20 overs is very exciting.

Shreyas seems to have a more upright stance against the pacers now, and he did crunch a couple of good pull shots, but he did cramp up, indicating he needs more time to regain full fitness. He could be swapped with KL, who is coming off an injury break himself and seems to have fixed whatever mental block he had prior to his injury layoff.

If the pitch is spin friendly, like Lucknow/Chennai/Delhi, then we could play Ash for Thakur. And as the tournament goes on, the pitches will slow down, so having a varied spin attack will be good. And if we played Ash in T20 world cup in Australia, then it's almost a no brainer to play him in a ODI WC in India.

My money is on Gill to be the main man in our batting line up. I also have a feeling Surya will turn a couple of matches for us, so will Kuldeep.

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Never underestimate Australia in marquee events like the WC! They always bring their A game to the table.

They use such bilateral series before the WC for their final experiments.

Just before the 2007 WC, they lost 3-0 to NZ and then went on to win their 3rd WC in a row.
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News Flash!
Indian Women team defeated Shrilanka women team by 19 runs to win Asian games to claim gold medal
Congratulations to the team!
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