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| ![]() Wow, what an analogy? Dhoni doesn't win? I guess the team does not. Quote:
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And whom should be make the skipper in your greatest minds? Gambhir? Kohli? Oh yeah, there was no one, we can sack him, but who is the replacement? Is there anyone? I completely agree with what the BCCI President had done, I may not agree or even like him but that was good for Indian cricket. And if anyone who looked like they were willing to fight it out, it was MSD and remember he was the guy who was not 'supposed' to score over here due to his technique. These are good, talented players, they have not become bad over the series. I am surprised and pained by the way we caved in. But we needed a couple of seniors in there to talk to these guys, give them a bit of confidence. I am dismayed with the role of Duncan Flectcher, he is supposed to be the guy who helps this team. Equally aghast with the discipline (or rather the lack of it) by the bowlers and fielders. It seemed as if the players were lost. The 5 Test Series also played a huge part in it. If this was a 3 Test series we would have left with a 1-1 and be fairly happy with it, but a long series clearly showed up the fitness of players, both mentally and physically. The effect of T20 showed as well - Pujara & Kohli were clearly playing shots which they don't; especially Pujara. This is a young team and we have to accept there will be such abject failures. I hope we back the right players. | ||
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Now Dhoni says Whatever we could have done, we tried. Hence the need for fresh thinking, approach in tests. Last edited by msdivy : 18th August 2014 at 12:34. | ||||
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What he implied was, he would take a call depending upon his fitness and he did, he is still playing. I am not sure what else is there to be said about this. And the less I hear about ex-captains the better; they just keep sermonizing him and did nothing of note themselves. Give me an independent and intelligent man like Rahul Dravid saying something like that and I will agree. I won't with those guys who have their own agenda. Quote:
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() According to me, India has stopped producing Test Batsmen i.e. batsmen with the real ability to stand ground against quality bowling. We were spoiled by the greats like Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman and to some extent Sehwag. And these guys were at times all together in the playing 11. No doubt we turned around so many tests with these class batsmen. Remember the Australia test turnaround anyone? But I also cannot plainly blame these players. T20 has changed the game. Players can still adapt to the 50 over format after a long T20 playing season, but then Test matches ? Nah. Look at the strokes that are being played in the short format. We need a few Test specialists. Pujara tried playing the T20 and failed miserably in that format, and in turn also spoiled his test playing skills. |
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Since 2011 we haven't had one 50 run opening stand. Vijay looks good to carry on but who will be his partner? Dhawan has failed and doesn't have the technique. Gambhir should retire. IMO make Pujara open cos in any case he is on the wicket within first five overs itself. That gives option of playing one extra batsman down the order. But the main issue is no one thinks of doing anything different. In Ganguly time he asked Dravid to open which dravid did brilliantly. He will make changes but here Dhoni is either sleeping or dreaming of Odi's cos in tests he has failed miserably time and again. To the question who to be captain if not Dhoni. Ashwin. He is a smart thinker and does well with both bat and ball. SA made Smith captain when he was so young. Same thing happened with cook and they delivered. Till a change won't happen how will we know the difference? But, sadly Indian cricket has no accountability. Any other nation Dhoni and Fletcher would have been sacked after this humiliation. But here nothing changes. | |
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![]() On the skipper: I would have opined for Kohli or Pujara but both of them are in the doldrums right now. MSD will be the skipper till 2015 WC. Too less time for anyone to take over - except probably someone who only plays Tests and has a brain. | |
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Regarding names, anyone of remaining 15 in the team (leaving Dhoni) will do a better job in tests. Or do you think it will get worse than worst? ![]() | |
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| ![]() If our reasoning for not clearing out the deadwood after every bad series is 'there's no on else', why isn't anyone asking the next obvious question: 'when will there be?'. Leaving the most recent failure aside, what is the Indian cricketing establishment doing as a whole? The problem goes much deeper than the current selectors, squad and captain (however inept they may be). Where is the supply line? Who are our next bunch of cricketers who can be groomed to International standards? For a country that spends all its time, money and attention on ONE sport, one would be inclined to believe the sport's administrators would have a better plan than 'stick every half-decent under-19/21 cricketer in the senior squad and cross fingers'. And I don't buy the temperament and adjustment hogwash. When world-class cricketers from every other test-playing nation are able to adjust to all forms of cricket, why not Indian players? It's an attitude problem, 'why should I work hard when I can be a 15-minute superstar in IPL?' attitude. Bad cricketers are an end result of a faulty system, the problems need to be fixed elsewhere before we can see results on the field. We can start with making county cricket stints mandatory for all contracted players. If it clashes with IPL, tough luck mate, choose between easy money and pride in your national cap, a lot of world cricketers do it every year. Last edited by Chetan_Rao : 18th August 2014 at 17:07. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() One thing that was mentioned by one of the commentators during the last test match was that none of the new players in the Indian XI have any experience of playing county cricket. Sure the new crop is talented but talent needs to be exposed to adverse conditions for it to nurture and mature. Kumble, Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly and many more Indian cricketers who were stalwarts of Indian cricket had county experience. Ok Gautam Gambhir has county experience but he has been away from international scene for far too long. Found this interesting article that is also along the same lines http://forbesindia.com/blog/grandsta...ounty-cricket/ The fact that this was penned in 2012 after the infamous tours of India where they were beaten black and blue, only emphasizes the point, IMO. But alas, it is in the hands of BCCI to work with ECB in order to facilitate this. I dont see this happening any time soon. And sacking the support staff, as suggested by Dilip Vengsarkar, will do nothing. Quote:
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| ![]() I must agree with you! We blame players, their inability to perform and adapt to the conditions. But nobody dares to blame the system that is at present bleeding cricket. With almost everyone barring Ishant, MSD and Gambhir new to the conditions, county was the only solution. But the team was busy hitting yes bank maximums and pouching karbonn kamaal catches in the Pepsi IPL. It is completely unrealistic to say that the IPL must be scrapped. But the schedules could be placed in a more sound manner so that the players get a chance to play in the county games. Also being a 5 Test series, we may think that the time for making a comeback is plenty. But the sad reality is that the nightmares continue for an extended period of time. I could see the adjustment some batters had made (Virat for instance) but it was too late. The batter that I expected to fail largely due to his lack of footwork showed grit and thrived. I wished that the grit had transformed into his captaincy and at marshaling his players. But no one criticizes Duncan Fletcher who is pretty incompetent at overseas conditions. The split coach philosophy should be taken seriously into consideration. But don't expect any changes till the WC-15 ends. And in a lighter tone as MSD said "The process is more important than the result" ![]() |
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| ![]() A Captain is only as good as his team! What can Dhoni do if his side is 8 for 4 or 36 for 5 ? Nobody expected our batting especially Virat & Pujara to do so badly. Yes, Dhoni needs to be severely criticized for his defensive tactics and over dependence on Jadeja with the ball, not having third man and having leg slip! Also why don't we give credit to the England bowlers especially Anderson & Broad who are world class at present! Also we were lucky that we didn't have to face Finn who was injured & fastest of the lot! Nothing much is going to change, we might as well receive a drubbing from Australia down under as the present lot are the best 15 you will find in the country. |
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| ![]() Ravi Shastri appointed Director of Cricket for the ODI series against England. Maybe a subtle hint to Duncan Fletcher that his time is up! Also Fielding Coach Trevor Penny & Bowling Coach Dawes are rested. I have heard of players being rested but this is a first! ![]() http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...ry/772063.html |
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| ![]() It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Yeah, sack the coach, sack the support staff, sack the bus driver, sue the kit manufacturer, blame English weather, English hotels, food and water. Blame the time of the year, planetary alignments, blah blah. Blame & fix everything except what's broken. Welcome to BCCI. My preferred expansion of that acronym won't get past the profanity filter. |
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| ![]() Ravi Shastri and Gavaskar get selected for everything with BCCI :( They dont have anyone else ? |
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