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If the batting doesnt score more than 150, a captain cant perform miracles with tactics. | |
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Instead the same fielder could have been placed in 4th catching slip where so many edges flew or even deployed at the third man to save crucial runs. But, no he was completely wasted in all innings. I can point too many things but then everyone knows what's wrong. He isn't capable of winning tests abroad. How much more proof we need after losing series after series. Chuck winning, his team isn't even competing. And I don't agree with what captain can do if batting is failing. Whose job is it to make sure they are motivated to perform for their country. Didn't English batsman like bell who were out of form got back into form after Lords debacle. If English team can raise their level of play what's wrong with Indian players. The main difference is English players are accounted for. They don't perform they will be shown the door. Here Dhoni and Co. Knows nothing will change so keep doing what they like. | |
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Agreed MSD has his stupid theories about getting people out - I still cannot figure out that leg-slip. The only logical explaination I have is that bowlers were bowling both sides of the wicket and that was to prevent or probably get a lucky catch. It is time that we actually prioritized Test Cricket. The BCCI only has money on its mind hence the IPL supersedes everything. Do you think that any player is stupid enough to stand up to its own board and never be even selected for the Indian Team. How did he previous generation become great? Oh Yes, they played in different leagues around the world. Every single one of them. Has anyone is this team done so? I hear Pujara is looking for a stint -and he had to ask for permission from BCCI? There is no point criticizing someone just for the heck of it. The system itself is rotten. I read somewhere MSD saying to Irfan, that he wants him fit for the England series. It was a comment on him getting fit only for the IPL. MSD might be the least talented guy in this team but he is a fighter and he is very honest with himself. For all we know, he is probably thinking of leaving the Test team right now - But if you ask me, we need him more than ever. But is there anyone who can tame the system that is in place by the BCCI? That is my question. Changing players, skipper or coach won't help. On second thoughts, maybe lets coax getting Gary back as coach. | |
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| ![]() BCCI does not have the will to improve our Test team, they're interested only in milking the shorter formats especially the IPL T20 cash cow. In fact, the players themselves may not be interested since it takes a toll on their fitness and what's in it compared to money in the shorter formats, more moolah is all they want ![]() Last edited by NPV : 20th August 2014 at 13:11. |
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Dhoni, a small town boy, has grown in stature. He is now very senior official (VP of India Cements) in Corporate India. His is now worth 150 million $$$, more than any cricketer on the planet. He has excellent cricketing talent. But cricketing talents alone didn't get him up to this level. All these due to uncle Srinivasan's blessings. He has become so big that nobody (within team, BCCI or India) can point out his mistakes. Selectors have realized that any reference to Dhoni's captaincy will cost them their jobs. So they select rest of the team. Strangely, Dhoni has to captain every side he plays and he plays more international cricket than any other players. This has affected his keeping skills, like: 1) He stands more back than necessary - affects slip fielding 2) He doesn't go for catches between WK & 1st slip 3) he doesn't run to wicket after shot is played (somebody else does) 4) He stands upright as the bowler runs in, earlier he used to crouch. Quote:
Ref: How bad must a defeat be to be unacceptable? | ||
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Why does India's most successful captain, captain every side he plays in? Hmmm Quote:
Resting himself like he did against Bangladesh is not the answer then? | ||
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| ![]() I think I made myself very clear - We need him as the skipper. Yes, he is not ideal but is there anyone out there? If there was, he would have been replaced already. Quote:
If MSD did not bat the way he did in this series, I shudder to think would India have crossed 100 in the last 3 Tests? Last edited by pratyush6 : 21st August 2014 at 09:52. | |
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| ![]() As Dhoni pointed out, India lost the previous series 4-0 with greats in the side. This is a younger side ![]() |
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A lot of Indian 'greats' would be long-retired (and probably never get a chance to amass their staggering statistics) if they were playing for a country that took pride in its international cricket and was intolerant of non-performers (like Australia, for example). Last edited by Chetan_Rao : 21st August 2014 at 13:10. | |
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| ![]() In hindsight, what do you guys think could have Dhoni done differently to win this series ? Not to invest in the future etc, but win this particular series ? Squad selection, team selection etc etc |
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Would India have won? Impossible to tell. Would India have fared better, most definitely. We could've done better even with the same limited-ability squad (forget changing anything), if we'd prepared better, or rather at all. We just don't take our test cricket seriously anymore. It usually gets masked on dead run-feast pitches back home, but we get horribly shown up overseas. The likes of Kohli and Pujara have a lot of introspection to do. I believe those two took the worst 'reputation' hit with this failure, given they were touted as long-term replacements for Dravid and Tendulkar's spots in the Test XI. Last edited by Chetan_Rao : 21st August 2014 at 23:58. | |
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2. Once Ishant was gone - we needed to get a senior fellow back in the side, I would have gone for Zak 3. Aaron should have been playing instead of Shami from the 3rd Test itself - Shami clearly looked a distant shadow of what we saw in India 4. That Bloody leg slip should have been at 3rd Man - we conceded more than 27% of the runs there. 5. Once we lost that badly in the 3rd Test - we should have had some of the greats - Rahul/Sachin/Saurav talk to these guys - they looked so horribly down at that game 6. I would made Rahane come at 3,Pujara at 4 & Kohli 5 from the 4th Test 7. Slip Catching- Someone needed to bloody work on it. Dhawan, Jadeja, Kohli was disastrous there and they should have been out of that place since the 3rd Test Some of the things I could think of. Unlike losing an ODI Series, losing a Test series this bad hurts, I am sure the players are hurt too. I am amazed no one seemed to help. I would kick Fletcher out NOW. | |
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| ![]() All good points and I agree with most, except the above. I think India should get rid of the coach position altogether. It's pretty obvious that coach has limited or no power over the team anyway (irrespective of who holds the post). We don't like strong-minded disciplinarian coaches (egos before progress is our motto), and we denigrate the softer ones as being ineffective. The cricketing setup in India sucks, and no coach can change that. We'll see short periods of success when everything clicks (as under Gary Kirsten), but sustained good-performance or domination will need grassroots level changes and ongoing commitment to excellence in youth cricket, which I don't think BCCI is interested in. The time isn't far away when no self-respecting coach will want anything to do with the Indian team. Last edited by Chetan_Rao : 22nd August 2014 at 13:50. |
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