The Cricket Thread

Sawyer · 24th March 2018, 09:18

Now it is crowd abuse in SA that is in the limelight, again with the same line coming into question, because crowds in Australia also can be very abusive.

Much of this has to be a response to what is seen on the field, I am sure, and fuelled by alcohol as well.

We perhaps do it better - we throw bottles. As to cheering the opposing team for good deeds, whatever there was in the past of this conduct, has now gone away in India as well. One sees a lot more of that in Eng/Aus, to be honest.

Perhaps it is time to give the long dead spirit of the game a well deserved funeral and move to yellow and red cards. Playing the rest of a test match a player or two short would be a good motivation to decent behaviour.

hemanth.anand · 24th March 2018, 18:58

Was watching Aus Vs SA live and woah, Aussies caught Ball tampering!!
Bancroft has something like a sandpaper in his pocket and rubbing it to the ball. This was caught on camera. Faf du plessis in the dressing room was also showing that. Then from the Aussie dressing room, coach Lehmann sent a message on walkie talkie via 12th man in the dugout. After that he took it out of pocket and kept it inside his brief also caught on camera. Then umpires asked him what was inside his pocket. He showed some sunglasses cover made of velvet.

I recorded this on TV

http://youtu.be/aokOI159Tzk

PPS · 24th March 2018, 19:13

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Originally Posted by hemanth.anand

Then from the Aussie dressing room, coach Lehmann sent a message on walkie talkie via 12th man in the dugout.

Just see David Warner's reaction towards the end, like when a school boy is caught with a chit during exams!

I do not know why the ICC has allowed walkie-talkie's on the ground, surely must be for convenience sake & this is the first time i'm actually seeing a proper dug out in a test match.

JLS · 24th March 2018, 19:46

Australians are like - only they are allowed to cheat and abuse others - for others they promptly draw line!

Sawyer · 24th March 2018, 20:59

I don't think that Shane Warne realised exactly what he is saying - if the quote in Sydney Morning Herald attributed to him on the Bancroft actions is accurate:
"You know when you get caught you've got to own up and be honest."

Really? You have to be honest when you get caught - not until then? That's a new low, even for Australians.

Eddy · 24th March 2018, 22:43

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"This is the first time it has happened under my leadership"

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"If we weren't caught, I would still regret it."

What a bunch of lies. Cheaters and sore losers, this (and all) Aussie cricket teams. Leads credence to Virat Kohli's allegations of cheating vis-a-vis a brain fade !!

PPS · 24th March 2018, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Eddy

... Cheaters and sore losers, this (and all) Aussie cricket teams.

Not expecting much from ICC & Match Referee apart from a few demerit points & match fee being cut. I'm more interested in what action Cricket Australia takes !

Chetan_Rao · 24th March 2018, 23:44

Cricket's credibility has taken a big hit this series, and it's a shame that most of us are resigned to the authorities not doing much, if anything, to send a strong message.

selfdrive · 24th March 2018, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Sawyer

I don't think that Shane Warne realised exactly what he is saying....
Really? You have to be honest when you get caught - not until then? That's a new low, even for Australians.

Quite convenient innit?
Anyone remember the owning up of diuretics on 2003? Or was it bringing in a mum who wanted to see her son thinner?
Shane warne giving diatribes on owning up, Ian chappell on sledging, what next?
Steve Waugh on mental disintegration? Or Aussie crowds on bad behaviour? Pot, black kettle and all that..

Eddy · 25th March 2018, 01:55

Nasser Hussain nails it

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/977573366319276032

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Originally Posted by PPS

Not expecting much from ICC & Match Referee apart from a few demerit points & match fee being cut. I'm more interested in what action Cricket Australia takes !

Or maybe Rajasthan Royals can take the lead and sack him. Wouldn't that be awesome

Sawyer · 25th March 2018, 04:05

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Originally Posted by Eddy

Or maybe Rajasthan Royals can take the lead and sack him. Wouldn't that be awesome

Yes, this is a golden opportunity to do just this, along with Warne from whatever role he has been brought in for. It is time to call time on the Australians.

And yes, Smith has just elevated Kohli from being thought guilty of exaggeration to one calling a spade a spade. And given all of us a solid reason why Cricket Australia did not take Kohli to court last year for slander. There is no case for slander when the truth is aired.

Also interesting to see Handscomb involved in this incident as well. And Lehmann trying to run away from responsibility. Based on this:

"As umpires were alerted on Saturday, Australian coach Darren Lehmann had been shown on the broadcast on the team balcony talking into a walkie-talkie. Substitute Peter Handscomb, also with a radio in hand in the players' dugout, then raced onto the field to talk to Bancroft, who quickly trousered the tape."

Smith is a great batsman, but seems to be amoral. If he isn't sacked in 24 hours, I will be very surprised. Or maybe not:-), he is just Australian and therefore excused.

Instead of what happened here:
"Seven years later, legendary India batsman Sachin Tendulkar was given a suspended one-match ban by English match referee Mike Denness after being found guilty of ball-tampering based on television footage during the second Test against South Africa in Port Elizabeth.

Tendulkar was shown to be removing a piece of grass, and the International Cricket Council eventually decided he was cleaning the ball without the umpire's permission rather than ball-tampering, but the following third Test was declared unofficial as the Indian cricket board refused to accept Denness as match referee."

I tend to believe that Tendulkar was doing just what is quoted - remove a piece of grass.

Sawyer · 25th March 2018, 04:39

A brilliant summary:

"The world already had a low opinion of the Australian team, reflected in the indifference to their protests about abuse from the crowd. To then be caught cheating so egregiously on the same day they had complained was the "smoking gun" to underline countless low assertions about their integrity and approach to the game. The Australian line has become a noose."

I still believe though that we should continue to hold the Indian team to higher standards in every aspect of the game, including its spirit, reinforcing the belief that the ugly Australian can be beaten without descending to his level of ugliness. And it seems now, to cheating.

NPV · 25th March 2018, 11:01

How much lower can this Australian team stoop ?

They claim the leadership group had planned this (to rough up the ball and get something to happen favorably for Australia) but are sorry/ashamed

The highest possible action (suspensions, bans, fines) must be taken by ICC and Cricket Australia for this.

Sawyer · 25th March 2018, 11:39

The thing about saying sorry is that there needs to be contrition behind it; Smith seems to be just saying sorry as a formula to escape punishment far too often.

He has also pulled a fast one by roping in the "leadership group" as part of the decision to cheat; whoever that includes, has to include Warner. The problem CA now has is that there is no alternate captain in the touring eleven to take over from Smith, which is another hurdle (cleverly?) created by Smith in his being removed. The idiot Clarke has of course been quick to volunteer.

The CA chief interview is pathetic, with the man hiding behind process before making any decisions. But the Australian PM has in effect said what the rest of the world already sees - how can a self admitted cheat be allowed to be in charge of the team? There is nothing more that an enquiry will establish except the guilt of Lehmann who has run away from the charge. It will be interesting to see if Smith plays this Test because it is not impossible for Australia to win or draw it with a hundred from him. Which will be very embarassing all around if it happens.

This ought to be a good time for all teams to quietly clean up their acts as well - except for NZ, none play like gentlemen.

libranof1987 · 25th March 2018, 12:43

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Australian Sports Commission has called for Steve Smith and other members of the Australian cricket team, who were part of the ‘leadership group’, to step down from the team

But,

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Meanwhile, Cricket Australia chief James Sutherland said that Smith will remain captain while they investigate the ball-tampering scandal.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/63450934.cms

24th March 2018, 09:18	#10171
Sawyer Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 2,677 Thanked: 1,786 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread Now it is crowd abuse in SA that is in the limelight, again with the same line coming into question, because crowds in Australia also can be very abusive. Much of this has to be a response to what is seen on the field, I am sure, and fuelled by alcohol as well. We perhaps do it better - we throw bottles. As to cheering the opposing team for good deeds, whatever there was in the past of this conduct, has now gone away in India as well. One sees a lot more of that in Eng/Aus, to be honest. Perhaps it is time to give the long dead spirit of the game a well deserved funeral and move to yellow and red cards. Playing the rest of a test match a player or two short would be a good motivation to decent behaviour.
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JLS BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 163 Thanked: 181 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread Australians are like - only they are allowed to cheat and abuse others - for others they promptly draw line!
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24th March 2018, 20:59	#10175
Sawyer Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 2,677 Thanked: 1,786 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread I don't think that Shane Warne realised exactly what he is saying - if the quote in Sydney Morning Herald attributed to him on the Bancroft actions is accurate: "You know when you get caught you've got to own up and be honest." Really? You have to be honest when you get caught - not until then? That's a new low, even for Australians. Last edited by Sawyer : 24th March 2018 at 21:01.
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Chetan_Rao Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,899 Thanked: 24,080 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread Cricket's credibility has taken a big hit this series, and it's a shame that most of us are resigned to the authorities not doing much, if anything, to send a strong message.
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25th March 2018, 04:39	#10182
Sawyer Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 2,677 Thanked: 1,786 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread A brilliant summary: "The world already had a low opinion of the Australian team, reflected in the indifference to their protests about abuse from the crowd. To then be caught cheating so egregiously on the same day they had complained was the "smoking gun" to underline countless low assertions about their integrity and approach to the game. The Australian line has become a noose." I still believe though that we should continue to hold the Indian team to higher standards in every aspect of the game, including its spirit, reinforcing the belief that the ugly Australian can be beaten without descending to his level of ugliness. And it seems now, to cheating.
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25th March 2018, 11:01	#10183
NPV Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Namma Bengaluru Posts: 7,220 Thanked: 10,264 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread How much lower can this Australian team stoop ? They claim the leadership group had planned this (to rough up the ball and get something to happen favorably for Australia) but are sorry/ashamed The highest possible action (suspensions, bans, fines) must be taken by ICC and Cricket Australia for this.
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25th March 2018, 11:39	#10184
Sawyer Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 2,677 Thanked: 1,786 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread The thing about saying sorry is that there needs to be contrition behind it; Smith seems to be just saying sorry as a formula to escape punishment far too often. He has also pulled a fast one by roping in the "leadership group" as part of the decision to cheat; whoever that includes, has to include Warner. The problem CA now has is that there is no alternate captain in the touring eleven to take over from Smith, which is another hurdle (cleverly?) created by Smith in his being removed. The idiot Clarke has of course been quick to volunteer. The CA chief interview is pathetic, with the man hiding behind process before making any decisions. But the Australian PM has in effect said what the rest of the world already sees - how can a self admitted cheat be allowed to be in charge of the team? There is nothing more that an enquiry will establish except the guilt of Lehmann who has run away from the charge. It will be interesting to see if Smith plays this Test because it is not impossible for Australia to win or draw it with a hundred from him. Which will be very embarassing all around if it happens. This ought to be a good time for all teams to quietly clean up their acts as well - except for NZ, none play like gentlemen.
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