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Old 9th September 2018, 19:30   #10756
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Ashwin gives way to Jadeja and Hanuma replaces Hardik. I so wish these 2 perform to help our captain and coach regret not picking them earlier.
Wow and they did perform. 56 on Debut for Hanuma and 4wkts and 86* for Jadeja.
Although England are 40 runs ahead and Cook getting ready sign off on a high in his last innings, we can still make a match out of this. Ignore the last part of the last sentence, the ever optimistic fan of Indian cricket in me had taken over me and I got carried away. 4-1 on Tuesday and this tour will be over!
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England have 40 runs lead and if they get 200 it should be enough to win this test and take the series to 4-1. Jadeja's inning should hopefully have opened the eyes of the team selection think tank.
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Jadeja deserved a hundred, but what an answer to the series long snub! Wickets and top score with the bat.

That's what he brings to the table. Pandya may be good for a quick counter-attacking cameo, but he just isn't the kind of player who can play 2-3 sessions with lower-order batsmen or tail-enders for company in a crunch situation.

India's playing 11 selection issues and lack of preparation have cost a series, yet again. Nobody will presumably be held accountable, yet again.

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Jadeja deserved a hundred, but what an answer to the series long snub! Wickets and top score with the bat.

That's what he brings to the table. Pandya may be good for a quick counter-attacking cameo, but he just isn't the kind of player who can play 2-3 sessions with lower-order batsmen or tail-enders for company in a crunch situation.

India's playing 11 selection issues and lack of preparation have cost a series, yet again. Nobody will presumably be held accountable, yet again.
Same comments will happen after OZ series. Rinse and repeat. Story of Indian cricket where favouritism and ego are more important.

Jadeja innings was top class. Was rooting for him to get a well deserved 100.

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i have one general question regarding lbw decisions...
1. if it is pitched outside leg stump, then it cannot be given out, but the same rule does not apply when it pitches outside the off stump line, why?
2. if the ball pitches outside the off stump and impact is outside the off stump, it cannot be given out even it is hitting the stump, why?
3. why can't we just have a simple rule where it can be given out if it hits the stump, irrespective of where it is pitched or where the impact was?
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i have one general question regarding lbw decisions...
1. if it is pitched outside leg stump, then it cannot be given out, but the same rule does not apply when it pitches outside the off stump line, why?
2. if the ball pitches outside the off stump and impact is outside the off stump, it cannot be given out even it is hitting the stump, why?
3. why can't we just have a simple rule where it can be given out if it hits the stump, irrespective of where it is pitched or where the impact was?
1. Normally balls pitching outside legstump is considered as a negative tactic. I guess it was to curb this that the rule was put in place.

2. The mode of dismissal is leg before the wicket. If the ball hits your pad outside the line of the wicket, then it is technically not leg before the wicket. Perhaps..

3. These complexities make the game of cricket interesting I guess.


Coming to the match, Jadeja played a gem. Would have been great if he could have helped us wipe off the deficit. Our bowlers have started well.
Kohli as usual has messed up the reviews and now we have none. Need to get England below 200. Any score above 250 would be difficult to get in the fourth innings.
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i have one general question regarding lbw decisions...
1. if it is pitched outside leg stump, then it cannot be given out, but the same rule does not apply when it pitches outside the off stump line, why?
When you bat side on with pads there is a blind spot just in front of your legs on the leg side and the lbw rules are framed by keeping that in the mind.
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1. Normally balls pitching outside legstump is considered as a negative tactic. I guess it was to curb this that the rule was put in place.
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When you bat side on with pads there is a blind spot just in front of your legs on the leg side and the lbw rules are framed by keeping that in the mind.
Thanks for clarification with this rule.
I forgot to add one more scenario to the original list,

4. When no shot is offered, then batsman can be given out even if the impact is outside the off stump

May be, time to revisit other rules?

Also, I feel that, the 'umpires call' scenario should never exist. It is out if it is hitting the stump and not out if it is not.
And, this 25% hitting the stump should also go. If you follow tennis, hawk eye will call it in, even if the ball touches 1mm of outside the line. So, we should also bring the same rule in cricket.
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Also, I feel that, the 'umpires call' scenario should never exist. It is out if it is hitting the stump and not out if it is not.
And, this 25% hitting the stump should also go. If you follow tennis, hawk eye will call it in, even if the ball touches 1mm of outside the line. So, we should also bring the same rule in cricket.
There has been a lot of debate on this. Cricket is not as black and white as tennis. Traditionally the benefit of doubt has always been given to the batsman and that's the way the game has gone on and the balance between the bat and ball has been maintained. The arguement is that the bowler is given multiple chances to get the batsman out, whereas for the batsman, all it takes is one mistake and he has to go. I feel that is quite fair. BUT, nowadays with hawkeye and other tech, the 'doubt' factor is being done away with. If even 10% of the ball is hitting the stumps, it is hitting the stumps! So technically he is out. With all these new advancements, the benefit of doubt that the batsman enjoyed is being taken away to some extent. If we do away with umpire's call, then life would be too hard for the batsmen. But then it becomes hard to explain the rules to kids and those new to cricket. Why is he not out when the ball is hitting the stumps?! I think the administrators have got entangled in knots with this one.
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Cook's debut match was against India and he scored a century in the 2nd innings of that match.
His last match is against India and he has scored a century in the 2nd innings of this match.
He will end up with 33 career test centuries and the highest-scoring left hander in tests till today crossing Sangakkara. Wonderful player

He is the 39th player to score a century in his last innings
He is the 5th player to score a century in his first and last match (Azharuddin has done it for India)

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Lead crossed 320, 140+ overs still remain. We are definitely heading for a heavy defeat. The only positive from this series for me is our fast bowlers. Even today, when fielders are dropping catches, they have been bowling well, especially unlucky Shami!
As someone mentioned earlier, it is better to lose 4-1 than 3-1 or 3-2, so that some 'soul searching' can happen. Otherwise, we all know how BCCI ignores the failures from this trip and start preparing for the next series.
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Cook and Root got their centuries and got out, now lead is close to 390, so definitely looks like they have a 400+ target in mind.
I think this will be a royal thrashing again, followed by another set of denials by the captain and coach!
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2/3... i want this match to end today itself... and then want to wait and hear what our captain and cheerleader has to say?

And this is my assessment of players.

Dhawan – flat track bully
Rahul – What has IPL done to him? Converted reasonably good test player to T20 player
Pujara – past his prime?
Kohli – good batsman. Luckless (when it comes to toss) and terrible captain
Rahane – if we leave him out, feel like missing him in the team…but if we include him, never make significant contribution when required!
Pandya – should never ever play a test match again
Pant – another parthiv in the making?
Ishanth – standout player of this series and what a turnaround for him!
Ashwin – uses more brain than his wrist/arm while bowling or batting
Bumrah – work in progress
Shami – need consistency…luckless bowler?

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Dhawan can come back home today itself with Pujara for company. Poor captain can't come back today itself because he has to attend all the press conferences tomorrow and justify that they were not really outplayed. The coach will pitch in saying that this is the best team in the last 2 decades who've won 3 series and will win one more against WI making it 2 series against 2 teams! While Pandya will be worried that this match will be over today itself and his vacation may come to an end abruptly. And yes, we can be happy that Anderson couldn't dismiss Kohli even once in 10 innings!

Kya hogaya Iss bar!
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Soon as I switched on the TV, I saw the scoreline at 2-3 and I thought it was some typo, only then it sank in that it was the actual score after Kohli departed for a first ball duck

Looks like our batsmen are on a suicidal mission and want to quickly lose this match and get back home.

God help this limited over specialist team that has been selected to play test cricket
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