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4th August 2010, 14:00 | #31 |
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| In most schools today the syllabus is covered at such a fast pace, that most students are expected to pick up the finer details at tuitions. How are these kids belonging to economically challenged society going to cope with that? May be a reservation in tuition classes also. I am all in for reservation for economically weaker section, but then reservation based on caste/religion should go. Also, since we are now going to directly pay for there education, should we not atleast get a wavier from education cess? Regards, |
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4th August 2010, 14:28 | #32 | |
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4th August 2010, 17:10 | #33 |
Senior - BHPian | I'm bit confused now, isn't this act is about giving education to the poor who can't afford good education irrespective of caste/creed? [Correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding as my post is based on that belief only.] If that's so then why so much hue and cry against this bill? And for argument's sake that govt. should've done a better job in providing basic education (which they should) to everyone, but to get that system up and running they'll need some time, right? Say, it may take another 5-10 years. Now, within those 5-10 years where that poor bright kid will go for education? Or we are so interested to not let him get good education just because his parents can't provide that huge school fee of a good but private school? Or should we let him also go waste as they didn't have money to get education? Are anyone of us planning to sponsor for that kid for his education? If not then why we are going against the Govt. when they want that poor kid to get the education at the level he deserves? |
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(1) The government doesn't have enough funds to build as many schools. (2) The 6% fiscal def. and inflation makes it even less implementable. (3) Even if points 1&2 were invalid, there is still a bigger point. Pool of teachers available. Government schools (most) have horrible teachers. It makes more sense to spend less money, send a kid to a better school. (4) Quotas are bad when they are in conflict with meritocracy. Not otherwise. Why? Quote:
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Retail : No. (2) It is very unlikely that the market, on it's own, would naturally lead to a monopoly. In most cases, it is collusion between a big player (or a cartel in case of price fixing), and government, that leads to a monopoly. Chuck the govt. out, and that would be taken care of as well. (3) About BSNL: Bharti won't go to a place 150 km from Raipur because it doesn't make business sense for them. Why? Because there are NO consumers. And by "no" consumers, I mean literally "no consumers". The only consumers are normally 1% of the population (eg. the richest farmers). So, when BSNL sets up a tower in the village, it basically uses the tax payers money to sell its products to rich farmers at a HUGE loss! The good thing about profits is, if there is ANY opportunity, someone will break in. It is the same thing that happens with subsidized electricity, fuel, gas, water etc etc. The rich farmers use the free electricity to pump out water for themselves. People with a BMW consume subsidized diesel. The public options, and the subsidies rarely help the poor. It eventually becomes socialism for the rich. Quote:
For a country that is 60 years old, and missed the industrial revolution, it is marvelous. Indians have one of the highest average scores on most internationally accredited aptitude tests (SAT/GRE/GMAT) and certifications (CFA/FRM etc). No country newer than us produces better engineers, doctors, scientists, managers... Yes, everyone doesn't get a share of the pie. But that is a symptom, and the cause is not the education system. The fundamental causes are two. First, we are a poor country, and secondly because of our stupid economic policies from 47-91. I cant even imagine how bad education would have been if most schools were public. Quote:
Parents tend to shrug off responsibilities by sending their kids to the most expensive schools. Most of our premium ug/pg institutes are full of people from very unknown schools. Quote:
It's a hassle because this is the algorithm that parents follow: (1) make a list of schools, arranged rank wise (complete based on perception) (2) Start trying from no. 1 (3) If they have money, they settle at rank x < n, by paying donations. (4) If they don't have money, settle at n. The interesting thing is, the child's interests are not even considered. Why not just make sure that a school is affiliated, and send the child there? Schools hardly make a difference. Comparing teachers from different schools is equally retarded. Teachers in all schools in the country are ignorant, and equally bad! So many IITians actually quit their schools in 11/12, go off to Kota and study in some random school affiliated to an arbit board. (all run by coaching institutes like Bansal.) Quote:
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4th August 2010, 18:15 | #35 | |
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Also, how will the govt compensate the schools for the 25% cost? Either it will mean more taxation or the schools would themselves have to make up by increasing the fees for the remaining students. In both cases, the working middle class would suffer. Finally, there is question of selecting the 25%. Like someone said, there are shopkeepers in Delhi, with income on book of about 1L while the actual income is some 2-3 crore . Do you think, we should subsidize the education of their children? | |
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4th August 2010, 18:19 | #36 |
Senior - BHPian | Below mentioned are some of the clauses of the rules with corresponding objections from schools and parents. Main Objections Draft Rule: Academic authority for the purposes of this act means Department of State Educational Research and Training popularly known as DSERT Objection: Schools affiliated to ICSE and CBSE have different authorities. Introducing another authority will complicate the matter and dilute level of education. Two authorities may not be acceptable Rule: School Development Managing Committees will have representation from elected members, local educationists etc. Objection: May dilute the authority of schools. Further the act gives enormous powers to SDMCS on all aspects of schools administration including financial aspects, school development plans, enrolments, recruitment of teachers, creation of infrastructures, review of performance of children, planning for remedial measures, organizing co-curriculum activities, which may not be healthy for the independent management of the school Rule: In respect of reimbursements per child, under RTE, it will be the total annual recurring expenditure incurred by the state on elementary education in respect of all schools established, owned or controlled by it or by the local authority divided by the total number of children enrolled in such schools Objection: Schools as per the act should be content with this kind of reimbursement irrespective of the cost they incur to maintain the state-of-the-art infrastructure they have created through huge expenditure in the past. Further, the act specifies that schools shall not collect any other fee other than what they received from the government Rule: Schools have to make available facilities like free uniform, textbooks, midday meals and free schoolbags as applicable to government schools Objection: When these facilities are not extended to other students, how can these be given to students under RTE category? Further, even if the government is willing to reimburse this cost, it may not be matching with the kind of facilities private schools prescribe with regard to textbooks and other material which is of high quality entailing higher expenses Rule: Government will prescribe age-appropriate syllabus, books and other materials Objection: How is this possible when schools have their own prescription on books and learning materials? Any attempt to bring down the standard to suit age-appropriate levels will affect the standard of remaining 75% of students in a class Rule: Schools shall maintain a record of all children in its jurisdiction through a household survey from their birth till they attain the age of 14 Objection: This charter of duty may be out of the authority of teachers in private schools. They cannot be involved in any duty other than teaching children Source: TOI |
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Anyways, I will state you my reasons for opposition 1. Extra burden on the 75% - Remember, us middle class is always milked. A war happens, put a war tax, games happen, put a games tax, education problem put an edu cess. There is no accountability and the govt keeps milking the salaried class. 2. Quota politics - When there is quota, there is politics. It will enter this also. Past history 3. Shirking responsibility- I pay govt taxes, I expect it to do its job. Not pass it on. Public private partnership is good when it comes in through voluntarily, for example road building. Private players build roads and have a stake. Not by some law That said, I am done with the argument. These are my views, I am entitled to them. You are entitled to yours, and I will not call them wrong, I would just say I do not agree. So we can agree to disagree here. | ||||||||||||||||
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4th August 2010, 21:38 | #38 | ||||
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And those opposing the bill, can people try to come up with some better ideas than this proposed idea for upliftment of the economically backward class to provide better education? EDIT: Just one thing hit my mind while reading the posts. Most of the private schools are in or near a City, so I would also like to know what the Govt is thinking about doing for the kids who lives in rural areas or areas which doesn't have a private school? Does this right to education law have something for those people also? Just wanna know. Last edited by kaushik_s : 4th August 2010 at 21:43. | ||||
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5th August 2010, 01:12 | #39 |
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Now, as per CRY, you need Rs.1800 to sponsor the education for a child for an entire year. Even if you round it off to 2k per child, you can educate 2.5 lakh children with this 50 crores. Food for thought? Last edited by Jaguar : 5th August 2010 at 01:44. | ||||
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Like wise, there're several things in this country that are mismanaged. Think about the crores of money spent on each parliament session only to get cancelled till mid of the day & then rest of the day. Why carry it out at all? Think about the money that is being payed as penalty at the airports due to flight delays. One thing for sure is, highly mismanaged & the law is passed in this country only on things that are easy to control while the root of the problems are not fixed. | ||
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5th August 2010, 08:44 | #42 |
BANNED | The RTE act is good but obviously it shows that the Government has admitted that it is has failed to provide basic education to it's people and that too since independence. The educaion outlay has continually decreased since independence when it was 7.8% of GDP to the present abysmal 3.5%. Even Kenya has much higher education allotment than our country. Now the failure apart this step could do some good to the poor people who want their kids to get at least primary education. The statistics itself justifies this step- there are hundreds of public/private schools for every govt school. But since the government is talking of quotas here the private schools are entirely justified in their fear about govt interference in the schools functioning. The Govt messes up wherever they set they foot and this could be no different so the private schools need to ensure that there is a clear line beyond which the govt has no say. How they work out this quota and the funds needed should be clearly sorted out or this could be another financial disaster waiting to happen with hundreds of crores spent without any significant benefit and later withdrawn. I still feel that Government should handle the education for the masses itself not abdicate the responsibility to private concerns. And now what will happen to the education tax and cess we are paying year over year? |
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