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Originally Posted by reignofchaos This is as good as blaming the rape victim cos she was wearing 'revealing' clothes. People have the right to go anywhere at whatever time they please. Doesn't mean they deserved to be raped for that.
Blame the victim for anything - I absolutely detest this attitude - this is the reason India is still in the dark ages . |
Did I mention anywhere in the post about the woman wearing 'revealing' clothes or that she asked for it? There was a serious lapse of judgement on the part of the driver. He shouldn't have stopped at night, with women on board, period.
Of course people have a right to go anywhere they want, I don't seem to recall every saying otherwise. You can go wherever you want, whenever you want. But considering the pathetic state of law and order in our country, there are some precautions you just need to take. If you think otherwise, to each his own.
Blame the victim for everything? 'Revealing' clothes? Did I say a single word about the women on board? I only mentioned the error made by the driver. The lives of the passengers are literally in the hands of the driver. He is responsible for their safety.
You are arguing just for the sake of arguing.
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Originally Posted by libranof1987
reignofchaos has put into words what I wish to say. Someone's innocence (getting down to check damage) *cannot* be used as an excuse to not put the entire blame on those who committed the crime.
I don't intend to single you out but I'm sure there are many, both on and off the forum, who would have thought the same way: the guy is stupid to have stopped the vehicle.
Also, let's be honest: it's only because now we know of this modus operandi (throwing something or saying the car has a flat and then looting) that we can be smart in expecting something fishy. Otherwise, it is a very natural response to stop your car when hit.
Thank you for putting it the way you did. |
Did I ever mention that the driver is completely responsible for this tragedy? Read the post again. This modus operandi is not new. There have been plenty of cases before this. I know it is a very natural response, but do we give priority to the condition of the car over the safety of women on board? Of course you can argue that the car would have stopped if something indeed had happened to it. In that case would the end result have been different?
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Originally Posted by TD_GHY It has just become a fashion nowadays to pass on comments from the comfort of one's chair or bed through the laptop or cell without trying to get a realistic picture of the situation they were in. |
This is plain argumentative and insulting. I have been in this situation before. A bunch of people had jumped onto the road and tried to block our way in the Bandipur forest road on the way to Mysore. They even threw a branch at our car. I blared the horns and sped up; damn nearly run one of them over.
So please dont insult people without knowing anything about them.
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Originally Posted by Anand123 I agree that it's quite natural to react the way you mentioned but I dont think this is the first time such an incident is happening in our country. Atleast now we know that such incidents do happen and will still continue to. So we need to be vigilant especially while travelling with family. No point in 'blaming' the driver here but how I wish if he could have been a little more careful and not stopped the car there. Hope the culprits gets what they deserve. |
Very true. We need to be vigilant always.
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Originally Posted by sourabhzen At around 9:00 PM after crossing Mathura, a brick came flying and hit my windscreen (luckily just below the wiper blade) and punched a hole in it. I was driving at 100km/h and decided not to stop there. My parents later told me that this is a regular trick adopted by robbers to loot the travelers. |
That decision probably saved you and your family.
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Originally Posted by TheDesertRat I don't anticipate this to happen every single time but better safe than sorry. Sadly, UP has a notorious reputation and it is down to us to ensure our and our family's safety (this speaks very highly of a competent government and law enforcement agencies). |
Not just UP mate, there's been plenty of cases from all over the country.
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Originally Posted by adi_gt I You never know, why you want to take a risk of this nature. The best option should be to start early at 5am but not during winters. |
Its common sense. We can argue endlessly about having a right to do whatever we want, but it's our duty to be vigilant. We can't expect the police to do everything, not here in India.
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Originally Posted by pratyush6 I don't think the OP meant to paint the victim as the problem. He merely stated that it wasn't the best idea to check the car after the hit at that point of time.
However, when one is traveling with women and children, you cannot let your guard down. I for one strictly avoid traveling at night when I have my family with me. Even during the day, I choose the roads which are widely used by others rather than one which is empty or near empty. Call me medieval or anything but nothing matters more than the security of my family. |
Safety of my family is more important that my car. And I stand by that.
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Originally Posted by Acharya
No one is blaming the victim (as mentioned in some posts before), all we are saying is there was lapse in judgement on part of driver.
First, starting in middle of night from Delhi to UP with family, not many would dare to do this. Now that you are doing it, at least be aware about the situation and criminal activities en route. He should not have stopped after car was hit by rod/brick.
It's quite easy to say that there should be better law and order situation, driver was doing what anyone would do as natural reaction. However, you just can't let your guards down, when in UP, at any point of time. This is not to tarnish the image of whole state, just to safeguard your own/family's safety. |
Exactly!
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Originally Posted by Ajitsingh208 And Yes, if you do travel, Never stop for anything on a desolate stretch. If it's an emergency then also look for a well lit residential area or a petrol pump and never hesitate to ask for help from locals. |
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Originally Posted by carwatcher OT : Even in the US which is the world's most safest country it is advised not to travel on certain roads due to various reasons one can safely say it's impossible to police everything. |
This is true everywhere. Even if we do have to travel these roads, our safety is our responsibility.
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Originally Posted by GTO Honestly, with poor policing and awful law & order, it's not advisable to drive on the highway at night at all...whether you're with women or not. The lawlessness on Indian Highways - especially at night - simply isn't worth it. Our article on night driving tips actually starts off with this sentence:
I love driving on highways at night - the cool breeze, empty roads and feeling of isolation provide their own kick, but I don't unless it's an emergency.
Whatever others say, a majority of drivers would stop. Never know what hit your car and in that state of panic, the most natural reaction would be to pull over. |
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Originally Posted by drmohitg Exactly. The same people would not take 2 minutes to you stupid if you hadn't stopped and had actually suffered a genuine underbody hit and had broken some crucial part. I particularly remember 1 thread where a polo suffered massive damage and repair bills as the owner didn't apparently stop in time after a hit and everyone chided him for the same. |
Repair bills vs. safety of family? Choice is obvious.
Look, I dont mean to offend anyone, but our safety is in our own hands. We have to be vigilant. We have to think. We need to be smart.
I wont argue on this anymore, because anymore talk on whos right and whos wrong is off topic.